Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister

[tobyjugg2]

On 22/08/2022 at 13:48, theoldrouge said:

Problem is you can neither be described as “a fair minded or dispassionate observer “

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11133001/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Kangaroo-court-risks-damaging-democracy.html

 

I'm definitively fair and logically minded, and because of that undoubtedly present as passionate about many things and in many ways.

You seem to present as none of these in any real way.

[tobyjugg2]

Liz Truss? Integrity? Andrew Neil?

 

Minister told: 'It's easy to remember - it's zero'

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Liz Truss seems unsure when asked how many of 200,000 starter homes promised by her party had been built.

 

 

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[honeybee13]

Owen Jones on the power of strikes in France. I don't always agree with him but he makes some good points in this.

 

The French protest at soaring costs and get results - what’s wrong with the UK? | Owen Jones | The Guardian

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Polls show Britons are fed up and willing to challenge the government over the cost of living, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

 

[theoldrouge]

What a disgraceful, cowardly piece of activism 

Incite to riot but then back off quickly before someone complies and he gets the blame

An old fashioned true journalist would be appalled 

[theoldrouge]

5 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

I'm definitively fair and logically minded, and because of that undoubtedly present as passionate about many things and in many ways.

You seem to present as none of these in any real way.

just because you voted UKIP once does not qualify you to be fair minded or dispassionate 

[honeybee13]

4 minutes ago, theoldrouge said:

What a disgraceful, cowardly piece of activism 

Incite to riot but then back off quickly before someone complies and he gets the blame

An old fashioned true journalist would be appalled 

 

I don't agree with violence and destruction of property either, obviously. Even Martin Lewis is talking about civil unrest because there are so few other options with a government that isn't listening to 'the people'.

 

Peaceful demonstrations are OK though, aren't they? But the government are trying to restrict them as well and you can see why with all this going on.

[theoldrouge]

Sadly rent a mob always join in with peaceful demonstrations 

Quite why anyone cannot wait less than two weeks to see what help will be offered and then make a judgment is beyond me

Of course had the Guardian and the usual suspects not hounded Johnson out of the job

help would have been announced by now 

They should have been more careful what they wished for 

[honeybee13]

Wasn't it Tory MPs who wanted shot of Johnson? He didn't have enough people to make up a serious cabinet after all those resignations.

[tobyjugg2]

26 minutes ago, theoldrouge said:

What a disgraceful, cowardly piece of activism 

Incite to riot but then back off quickly before someone complies and he gets the blame

 

 

Seems rather like your posts here ..

Spout some right wing Farage nonesense, then decline to back it up with factual support

 

Heres a Farage rant inserted into some actual context

 

Brex-sh*t! Nigel Farage 'on sewage-covered beach' is a must-watch

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You get what you vote for: Britain's sewage crisis is being blamed on Brexit - and Nigel Farage has been skewered in this viral video...

 

 

and I've already admitted I was wrong to vote for Farage

Catch me once, shame on you

Catch me twice, shame on me

 

So whats your count?

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[honeybee13]

What?

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Against the Russians? Not a chance she would press the button.

 

She needs the ongoing donations and bot support for the upcoming general election

- after they try to bribe the electorate with a wodge of money; on the electorates Tax credit card of course; and a load of empty promises

- then it will immediately be back to crony business fleecing  the taxpayer money as usual if they win.

 

[honeybee13]

You have to hope that the generals have a word with her about nukes and armageddon. Up against Putin it would be very risky.

[tobyjugg2]

Don't worry. the yanks probably wouldn't press their button that allowed ours to work ....

Unless Trump gets back in - I'm sure he'd do owt to get the Russian videos of him destroyed

 

 

 

Hope everyones ready for GP appointment charges

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[theoldrouge]

3 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

Seems rather like your posts here ..

Spout some right wing Farage nonesense, then decline to back it up with factual support

 

Heres a Farage rant inserted into some actual context

 

Brex-sh*t! Nigel Farage 'on sewage-covered beach' is a must-watch

WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM

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You get what you vote for: Britain's sewage crisis is being blamed on Brexit - and Nigel Farage has been skewered in this viral video...

 

 

and I've already admitted I was wrong to vote for Farage

Catch me once, shame on you

Catch me twice, shame on me

 

So whats your count?

For UKIP zero 

I have no time for people who start political parties then throw their toys out of the pram and leave

I decide each issue on its merits 

[tobyjugg2]

So whats the merits of fracking?

- with credible evidence (for a change) as most of those claimed have been thoroughly debunked already here and in the scientific world

 

Edited August 24, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

On 22/08/2022 at 19:09, theoldrouge said:

I will give a reply to that when I see Tony  B Liar on trial at The Hague

or just going to throw your toys out and avoid ... again

[theoldrouge]

As I have previously stated Johnson’s misdeeds do not start to compare to the war crimes of BLiar

[honeybee13]

TOR, what I don't understand is if Tony Blair is a war criminal, why didn't the enquiry recommend charges? From memory he wasn't PM by the time he appeared. 

[brassnecked]

Klaus will fix the vote or demand another one so they give the right answer as in Rishi next time. He says in jest.

[tobyjugg2]

and as already asked - and you NOT answered - like on fracking @theoldrouge

What do you think should have been done after the invasion of Kuwait - with your projected consequences of your chosen action?

 

 

.. and in Syria

Edited August 24, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

A decade of deployments: 2010 to 2020 | by Ministry of Defence | Voices Of The Armed Forces | Medium

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2020 has arrived and the 2010’s feel like a lifetime ago, but what have the UK Armed Forces been up to over the last 10 years?

 

 

What about these UK military actions @theoldrouge

What about Thatchers ordering the sinking of the Belgrano while it was traveling away from the 'disputed zone??

 

2011 Libya NATO removal of Gaddafi-led government.
2012 Nigeria Attempted hostage release.
2012 Jordan Support and training for forces opposed to Syrian government.
2012 onwards Bosnia Herzegovina as part of EUFOR Operation Althea.
2012-13 Somalia Fighting al-Shabab
2013 Mali Support for French occupation force.
2014 onwards Iraq Part of anti-Islamic State (ISIS) operations. (under which IS expanded)
2015 onwards Part of UN contingent supporting the African Union fighting al-Shabab.
2015 onwards Syria Part of anti-Islamic State (ISIS) operations. (Under which IS expanded massively and founded a caliphate)

....

 

Come on - state you stance and point?

Blair/Iraq with all its faults is clean as driven snow compared to Tory involvement in Syria and Iraq

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

 

[honeybee13]

This explains a lot.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/24/emily-maitlis-says-active-tory-party-agent-shaping-bbc-news-output?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

And a clip from the talk by @maitlis at the Edinburgh Festival. She's had to leave the Been to be able to talk about it.

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Following on from James O'brien commentary, a news story that is a bit concerning.  UK does appear to be struggling with providing all of the essential goods and services for a fully functioning economy.

 

Fears new CO2 crisis will lead to food shortages after closure of major production plant  | Daily Mail Online

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The decision by CF Industries to halt production at its Billingham plant in Teesside could spark food and drink shortages. The firm supplies...

[tobyjugg2]

How ???? (words fail me) , that With the co2 issues affecting the world today - we are affected by a lack of Co2

 

Levelling up bill does not include funding needed to make levelling up happen, say MPs

Although the House of Commons is not sitting over the summer, MPs still have work to do and some who chair select committees have been sending out letters. Clive Betts, the Labour MP who chairs the levelling up committee, says that when Greg Clark replaced Michael Gove as levelling up secretary in July, he asked Betts to tell him over the summer what the committee thought of the levelling up and regeneration bill.

Not much seems to be the answer. Today Betts has released the letter he has sent to Clark on behalf of his committee giving an assessment of the bill and here is the key paragraph.

 

It is the committee’s view that the main tool to achieve levelling up will be through appropriate funding to those areas that need it most. This funding will help in making progress on the levelling up missions related to public transport and local connectivity; transforming digital connectivity; improving education outcomes; increasing the number of adults who complete high quality skills training; and increasing healthy life expectancy. None of the provisions in the bill will directly contribute to making progress towards achieving these missions – other than setting them. There is also no funding for levelling up associated with the bill.

Like all select committees, this one has a narrow Conservative majority.

 

And in a statement to journalists Betts said:

In its current form, the bill does little to reassure that levelling up will prove to be more than just a slogan and that we will have meaningful change in local communities across the country. In key areas, it is unclear how the government intends to drive change and they are yet to commit to the spending that is necessary to level up the country.

Our inquiry has focused on the planning provisions in the bill, which can be described as loosely-connected proposals to tinker with the current system, hopefully achieving some improvement. It has been difficult to conduct scrutiny due to a lot of the detail of the provisions having not yet been published.

 

- Independent

 

Edited August 25, 2022 by tobyjugg2