Mutating Corona Virus

[unclebulgaria67]

Have had all of the vaccines to date, so will be having the Covid booster and flu jabs when they are available to me.

 

Seen the awful position people are in suffering with long Covid. Someone I know has been in hospital recently. They caught Covid in 2020 before vaccines became available and since then have struggled. Walking a short distance causes them severe difficulties with breathing and so far the NHS has not found any treatments that have improved their health.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, brassnecked said:

Just for reference no opinion either way, it seems there is dissent in the ranks .

 

 

 

Dissent in the ranks of those very few chosen by gbnews?

Surely not that much dissent, just enough to make their message appear a little less than one sided eh?

 

So where in any credible source is this opinion supported, let alone scientifically supported?

Edited October 2, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

@brassnecked

 

A few questions to set the frame

 

* Have you had your Covid vaccines ? up to date?

* What is your considered opinion on the issue of children and covid vaccinations

* Have you looked anywhere other than gbnews for information? if so, links please PLUS what you make of them

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

To counter @brassneckedcovid misinformation program, and his 'three medical professionals' on a gbnews 'opinion piece' (to try to avoid covid misinformation rules)

 

Heres some scientifically backed SCIENCE from across the world

 

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid19-vaccine-what-parents-need-to-know

 

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/who-can-get-vaccinated/children

 

When can kids get the COVID vaccine or booster? - HealthyChildren.org

WWW.HEALTHYCHILDREN.ORG

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ask-the-pediatrician~COVID-19 vaccines and boosters are recommended for eligible babies, kids and teens.

 

Importance of COVID Boosters for Kids

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A pediatrician explains why it's important for eligible kids to get a COVID-19 booster shot ahead of fall.

 

Serious adverse events rare after COVID-19 boosters in young kids | CIDRAP

WWW.CIDRAP.UMN.EDU

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A related study in South Korea shows waning vaccine effectiveness in teens.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

On 02/10/2022 at 12:57, tobyjugg2 said:

@brassnecked

 

A few questions to set the frame

 

* Have you had your Covid vaccines ? up to date?

* What is your considered opinion on the issue of children and covid vaccinations

* Have you looked anywhere other than gbnews for information? if so, links please PLUS what you make of them

 

 

 

We'll take the silence as a set of 'no'

 

as..

 

"Covid cases in the UK have surged by 25% in a week amid concerns a new wave of the disease is already underway. "

"Some 1.3 million people tested positive for the illness in the week ending 26 September" - ONS

"2.3 million people in the UK living with long Covid" - ONS

"The number of people admitted to wards went up by 37 per cent in the past week" - government figures

 

 

Covid infections surge as 1.3 million test positive for coronavirus

WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK

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New figures come a day after ONS said number living with long Covid has also increased

 

 

 

 

and for transparency, I seem to have had some increased side effects from the joint flu and Moderna bivalent booster jabs

 

Nothing serious but:

Arm was more tender - for longer - 3 days

regular unpleasant headaches - quickly resolves with paracetamol and getting fewer and milder now a week on

Raised temperature - quickly resolves with paracetamol - fewer instances now a week on.

 

Nothing like the issues I got with the first jab - but noticeable.

The other covid jabs (including a Moderna booster) had little if any negative effect.

 

Note: its common for me to get a few days of increased temp after a flu jab

 

[brassnecked]

I will not engage when you demand personal information in a hectoring tone.

[tobyjugg2]

pretty please?

[theoldrouge]

Disclosure Having no Medical Qualification I would not presume to advise anyone as to whether the following article published in The Australian contains any misinformation or not 

In my opinion anyone purporting that it does, should first state their medical qualification, and where they obtained such qualifications, so that any future reader can ascertain the veracity or otherwise of any such claim

 

 

 

The Scandalous Silencing of Dissenting Doctors Imperils Us All

BY RAMESH THAKUR

 

8 OCTOBER 2022 1:00 PM

Efforts to control the pandemic narrative began with a systematic suppression of any suggestion that it might have originated in a research lab of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, then moved on to denigrate, silence and smear critics of lockdowns, masks and vaccine efficacy and mandates.

A bill up for debate in the Queensland parliament on October 11th takes censorship to another level. If successful, it will fundamentally reshape the relationship between doctors, patients and health regulators.

The Australian Medical Network says under the new law “health bureaucrats will determine how doctors should approach treatment recommendations for their patients”, and health regulators will be given “the power to sanction doctors for expressing their professional opinion based on their assessment of the best available science”.

California’s legislature has just passed a similar law empowering the state’s medical board to revoke the licence of physicians who expresses opinions “contradicted by contemporary scientific consensus to the standard of care”.

So now it’s official. They have outlawed opinions.

Having overturned 100 years of settled science and policy orthodoxy on pandemic management with Covid, we are on the cusp of revolutionising the everyday practice of medicine by subordinating the professional judgement of doctors on the best treatment options for their patients to the directives of bureaucrats and health regulators.

As per an existing intergovernmental agreement, the Queensland change could be replicated in cascading legislative amendments in other states and territories to ensure a uniform national law (although passage by other legislative bodies is not guaranteed).

If not paused and stopped, this will affect every Australian, to the detriment of public health.

Let’s look at the practical implications of this in relation to the vexed issue of vaccines for young people. Denmark and Norway have banned Covid vaccines for healthy under-50s and under-65s respectively. On September 30th, Sweden announced an end to vaccine recommendations for 12 to 17-year-olds from November 1st. All three have excellent public health infrastructure and aggressively promote best-practice public health measures.

Yet our own Therapeutic Goods Administration has approved vaccines for children aged six months to five years. The four countries cannot all be ‘following the science’. NSW Health data back the Scandinavians’ conclusion that the Covid risk to children is minuscule. In the past four months (May 22nd to September 24th), just 0.1% of the 2,201 Covid deaths were aged 0 to 19. Almost all would have had serious underlying conditions. An article in Vaccine suggests that, for Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, added risks of serious adverse events are, respectively, 2.4 and 4.4 times higher than the reduced risk of hospitalisation. In a follow-up note, two of the authors note that the manufacturers’ clinical trials showed 125 adverse events per 100,000 vaccinated people, while preventing between 22 to 63 hospitalisations.

Another study in preprint by U.S., Canadian and British scientists estimates that to prevent one Covid hospitalisation in 18 to 29-year-olds, 22,000 to 30,000 of them must be boosted. But for every one hospitalisation prevented, there are 18 to 98 serious adverse events: a net expected harm.

Another new study of almost 900,000 children aged five to 11 in North Carolina, in the New England Journal of Medicine, adds to concerns that vaccines don’t just rapidly lose effectiveness; they might also be destroying natural immunity against reinfection.

Among children who had been infected by the Delta variant and didn’t get vaccinated, protection against reinfection fell from 95% in September last year to 53% at the end of May this year. In infected children who were also vaccinated, effectiveness had fallen to zero by May. The likely, albeit not definitive, explanation is that the vaccines themselves are damaging natural immunity.

Aseem Malhotra is a British cardiologist who initially promoted the Covid vaccines on TV to help overcome public hesitancy. When his fit and healthy 73-year-old dad died of a sudden heart attack six months after a second Pfizer dose, he spent six months analysing the data around vaccines. He now describes this as “perhaps the greatest miscarriage of medical science we will witness in our lifetime”.

He notes that Pfizer’s own trial showed slightly more deaths in the treatment than in the placebo arm and no statistically significant reduction in all-cause mortality.

Some experts point to a worrying trend of rising excess mortality among under-14s in Europe. Using British data, Malhotra estimates the risk of a Covid death in 12 to 15-year-olds is one in 76,000, against the risk of myocarditis of one in 27,000: nearly three times more. The number needed to vaccinate to prevent just one Covid death against the Delta variant reflects the steep age-segregated risk profiles, from 230 for over-80s to 93,000 for 18 to 29 year-olds. Against this, the risk of myocarditis ranges in different studies from one in 6,000 to one in 2,700 for 12 to 27-year-old males, once again demonstrating net harm.

In the two-part peer-reviewed article in the Journal of Insulin Resistance on September 26th, Malhotra concludes: “There is a strong scientific, ethical and moral case to be made that the current Covid vaccine administration must stop until all the raw data” have been released and “subjected to fully independent scrutiny”. He calls on the medical and public health professions to “recognise these failings and eschew the tainted dollar of the medical-industrial complex”.

Meanwhile, many of the claims advanced in support of the vaccines – that they stop infection and transmission, and entirely prevent severe illness and death – have had to be abandoned one after another, but were never ‘fact-checked’ by social media platforms.

Moreover, people who die inside 14 days of a vaccine dose are classified as ‘unvaccinated’. This distorts the statistics on the net harm-benefit balance to an indeterminate degree.

A poll by the Pew Research Centre in February mapped falling confidence in medical scientists since 2020. Malhotra argues that the rollout of vaccines under emergency-use authorisation without access to the raw data, the growing evidence of harms, and the resort to mandates whose major impact is to boost manufacturers’ profits “have highlighted modern medicine’s worst failings on an epic scale, with additional catastrophic harms to trust in public health”.

To summarise, for children the risk of severe illness or death from Covid is very slight – while the risks of  serious reactions to vaccines are higher. Protection against risk of reinfection is at least as robust and may last significantly longer for children who are infected but not vaccinated, compared to those who are vaccinated. The long-term effects of Covid vaccines are unknown. Every one of these statements is contestable and subject to revision as the databank grows and more studies are published. Not one is so implausible as to be summarily dismissed.

In these circumstances, for health bureaucrats and regulators to claim a monopoly on scientific truth is scandalous. The effort to shut down legitimate debates on pain of excommunication from the medical profession represents a clear and present danger to public health. I certainly have more confidence in my consultant’s professional advice based on training, qualifications, experience and knowledge of my medical history, free of pressures to conform to the zeitgeist from bureaucrats and regulators, the latter often with compromising links to industry.

Those of us without medical credentials arouse understandable scepticism towards our critiques. This makes it all the more imperative not to silence medical professionals, but instead to welcome and encourage contestable policy recommendations from them.

 

 

Ramesh Thakur is Emeritus Professor at the Australian National University’s Crawford School of Public Policy and a former UN Assistant Secretary-General. This article was first published in the Australian.

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

Kate Bingham has written about her time as head of the vaccine task force and the trials and tribulations of dealing with Whitehall.

 

archive.ph

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[tobyjugg2]

VERY interesting that.

Especially that she doesn't think she succeeded in building resilience against further pandemics.

 

Even something for the europhobes to clutch at which flies in the face of what I think i know - but its all probably summary smudging - I might get the full story to see if it adds to the detail of that.

[honeybee13]

I think she talks a lot of sense, TJ.

[tobyjugg2]

Mr too

Now if Cummings had been more like her .....

[tobyjugg2]

Boosters could protect against future variants

Booster shots against current SARS-CoV-2 variants seem to help the human immune system to fight variants that don’t exist yet. That’s the implication of two new preprint studies analysing how a booster shot or breakthrough infection affects antibody-producing cells. Some of these cells evolve over time to exclusively create new antibodies that target new strains, whereas others produce antibodies against both new and old strains. The findings provide reassurance that new vaccines targeting the Omicron variant will provide some benefit.

Nature | 5 min read
Reference: bioRxiv preprint 1 & bioRxiv preprint 2 (both not peer reviewed)

[theoldrouge]

Trust the science????
You must be joking 
 

Boston University developed new Covid strain with an 80% kill rate in mice
What the hell are these clowns thinking?
 

https://www.ft.com/content/f2e88a9c-104a-4515-8de1-65d72a5903d0

[tobyjugg2]

 

Its called being prepared - mind you, don't you believe they are all man made anyway? By remainers to try to make the Brex-hits seem to be something other than Brex-hits

 

The recombinant variants of SARS‐CoV‐2: Concerns continues amid COVID‐19 pandemic - PMC

WWW.NCBI.NLM.NIH.GOV

 

[tobyjugg2]

Quote of the day

“We’re seeing everything come back with a vengeance.”

Alpana Waghmare, an infectious-diseases specialist and physician at Seattle Children’s Hospital, Washington, on the return of flu and other respiratory infections after two years of COVID-19 restrictions in the United States (New York Times | 9 min read).

 

Link Courtesy of Nature Briefings

[tobyjugg2]

On 20/10/2022 at 13:47, theoldrouge said:

Trust the science????
You must be joking 
 

Boston University developed new Covid strain with an 80% kill rate in mice
What the hell are these clowns thinking?
 

https://www.ft.com/content/f2e88a9c-104a-4515-8de1-65d72a5903d0

 

Now there is a thread of thought that you two conspiracy types mind find more 'worthwhile' than believing Covid was artificially created by remainers in a Chinese bio weapons lab in Wuhan ..

 

The Boston experiments (were and did) intended to identify how Covid works and was tested on  rodents genetically chosen as HIGHLY susceptible to covid did create a strain which was potentially very dangerous even in those NOT highly susceptible as the test rats.

 

Aside from the simple fact that the virus has demonstrated that it is very well able to do such reto self programming in the wild, were these experiments:

 

* done under 'Porten Down' type conditions (almost certainly)

* Fully reported to national government 'bio weapons' monitoring (possibly as it was a university)

 

* BUT What about private labs with 'commercially sensitive' being the whole of the law?

[tobyjugg2]

Pfizer raises price of Covid vaccine in US by four-fold By Proactive Investors

UK.INVESTING.COM

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Pfizer raises price of Covid vaccine in US by four-fold

 

[theoldrouge]

From Parliamentary Debate ,Danny Kruger MP
Interesting
 

“Throughout, there has been misinformation in favour of the vaccine. I would not say that was deliberate; it was possibly accidental. We can tell that with hindsight. Perhaps the most egregious example was the claim that the vaccine is 95% effective; as was mentioned earlier, Dr. Malhotra presented on this to the APPG last week. That figure refers simply to the relative risk, instead of the actual or absolute reduction in risk to an individual. The absolute risk reduction is really less than 1%.”
 

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-10-24/debates/FF880636-BC3B-4BDB-A5E0-D6D4B82B2888/Covid-19VaccinesSafety

[unclebulgaria67]

Have my booster jabs booked for the end of next week.  Hoping that I have no reactions, as previous boosters did not affect me.  Not heard of many having any issues following their recent jabs.  

[tobyjugg2]

I seem to have had some (nothing like the first jab, and I had no issues with other jabs), as does someone else i know - who has felt 'rough' with recurring headaches and muscle/joint aches and tiredness

 

I know around a dozen others including a couple well in their 70s who have had no side effects other than 'extra soreness at injection point.

[theoldrouge]

Also from the debate a very important point imo
 

Andrew Bridgen 

(North West Leicestershire) (Con)

 

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way. Unlike any other vaccine, the covid vaccine was given to people who had natural immunity because they had provably contracted the virus. Why were those people vaccinated?
 

 

Danny Kruger 

 

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The best vaccine against covid is covid, and many people were naturally immune. There are questions to be asked about the effects of vaccination on the immune system.

[honeybee13]

There's also the point though that it's uncertain how long immunity lasts.

[tobyjugg2]

Numerous studies that show that both those statements are misleading and unsuited to the situation

 

1. Coronavirus is fast mutating with a known penchant for evading prior immunity

2. The vaccine ADDS to immunity, a large increase in many cases

3. That many are in the realms of vaccine boosted immunity, whether prior infected or not, is about the only thing that gives any, albeit false, credence to those tw*ts quoted (many of whom like Trump probably used the antibody treatments etc in secret)

 

4. take up in covid vaccination seems to be falling, so just like the increases in the old childhood MMR diseases, Covid is likely to increase its spread again this winter. Shame these tosswads wont be held to account for what they say on a public platform paid for by the public.

Sadly it isn't JUST the refuseniks and deniers who will suffer, especially the ones who get vaccinated plus every other paid for safeguard while claiming that sort of horse crap.

[theoldrouge]

On 25/10/2022 at 10:35, tobyjugg2 said:

 

Now there is a thread of thought that you two conspiracy types mind find more 'worthwhile' than believing Covid was artificially created by remainers in a Chinese bio weapons lab in Wuhan ..

 

The Boston experiments (were and did) intended to identify how Covid works and was tested on  rodents genetically chosen as HIGHLY susceptible to covid did create a strain which was potentially very dangerous even in those NOT highly susceptible as the test rats.

 

Aside from the simple fact that the virus has demonstrated that it is very well able to do such reto self programming in the wild, were these experiments:

 

* done under 'Porten Down' type conditions (almost certainly)

* Fully reported to national government 'bio weapons' monitoring (possibly as it was a university)

 

* BUT What about private labs with 'commercially sensitive' being the whole of the law?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11362165/Covid-likely-leaked-lab-explosive-Senate-says.html