Article 50 Discussion

[tobyjugg2]

So, as Brexiter businesses like Dyson leave Britain, (good riddance to sweatshop companies)

So do Remain supporting businesses and those who simply want a manageable situation

 

Airbus

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-airbus-uk-jobs-close-plants-disgrace-theresa-may-no-deal-a8743811.html

 

“Please don't listen to the Brexiteers' madness which asserts that 'because we have huge plants here we will not move and we will always be here'. They are wrong.”

 

"Airbus employs 14,000 people in Britain, including 6,000 jobs at its main wings factory at Broughton, in North Wales, and 3,000 at Filton, near Bristol, where wings are designed and supported."

 

 

"With around 110,000 more jobs in connected supply chains, the aerospace group is among the UK’s key employers – and among the most vulnerable to the loss of ‘just-in-time’ manufacturing"

 

- like the motor industry (Toyota) and many other industries

 

 

 

 

The finance sector

"More than 250 companies are in touch with the Dutch government about moving to the Netherlands because of Brexit, officials have said."

The trade and investment arm of the country’s government has been soliciting moves from companies worried about access to the EU market

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-netherlands-sony-company-relocating-ema-trade-investment-eu-a8742756.html

 

 

A number of of other high-profile companies have already announced a decision to cross the North Sea, including Japanese electronics giants Sony and Panasonic.

[tobyjugg2]

MPs For A Second Referendum Drop Commons Vote Plan – And Blame Jeremy Corbyn

 

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mps-drop-plan-to-hold-commons-vote-on-second-brexit-referendum-blame-jeremy-corbyn_uk_5c498f21e4b06ba6d3ba890e?ls&utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

 

"Labour MP Luciana Berger demanded Corbyn should “do the right thing” and stop “facilitating a job-destroying Brexit”. "

 

Corbyn is of course doing the same as May - just running the timer out

[tobyjugg2]

Britain has martial law option under Brexit no-deal

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-martiallaw/britain-has-martial-law-option-under-brexit-no-deal-but-no-plan-to-exercise-it-secretary-idUKKCN1PL0DJ

 

"The Sunday Times cited unnamed officials as saying the government had been examining the powers at its disposal if a no-deal Brexit resulted in civil disobedience, including martial law, curfews, and the use of the army to quell rioting."

 

i find it rather telling that there is no such mention of plans to quell right wing civil disobedience in the case of no Brexit,

just 'we cant let them down' or ' we cant break our word to them'

 

Just like its all 'We must honour the peoples vote' with no mention that they voted for a Brexit that gave all the benefits, none of the costs easiest deal in history NOT tax haven sweatshop Brexit UK.

 

Well their vote HAS already been betrayed - just like pretty much everyones.

Edited January 27, 2019 by honeybee13
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[tobyjugg2]

Despite Parliament having spoken and Mays deal defeated by 68% - 32%

May want a second 'meaningful vote' on HER deal - JUST her deal of course

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-eu-common-vote-northern-ireland-backstop-brady-amendment-a8751296.html

 

"Ms May told the emergency meeting of Tory MPs that she wanted to stage a second “meaningful vote” on her deal by 13 February."

 

So wheres OUR second meaningful vote May and Corbyn?

We voted on the Fantasy

Now we should vote on the facts

 

 

 

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Brexit (proper) will never happen, because it is impossible to deliver what the vote Leave campaign offered people. Most polling in recent months has shown that a majority of the public would now support remaining in the EU.

 

Most Leave voters I have spoken to, now say they would vote to remain, as they don't believe leaving the EU would benefit the country.

 

And the biggest reason given by people who voted Leave was control of immigration, mostly due to the number that have come from the EU since early 2000's. What these people now realise is that Government will be allowing migration in similar numbers as before. Right of free movement might eventually be removed, but they will still come under a Workers Visa scheme and may stay in the UK, where they will buy/rent homes, send children to schools, use the NHS etc. Also Government will still be allowing a large number of non EU migrants into the UK as well.

 

As for the issue of Sovereignty, the UK might think it will have more control over what it decides to implement in terms of law, but the reality is that in a world where you have to agree to international standards as part of trade, environment and other types of deals, that the UK Parliament will still implement foreign derived rules. There is very little that the UK could do differently outside of the EU, that would make any real difference.

[honeybee13]

No sunlit uplands populated by unicorns then, UB?

[Jase1982]

A lot of people who voted leave also grossly overestimate the numbers where immigration is concerned, and they don't take into account the fact that free trade agreements generally result in freedom of movement of goods and services. Nor do they take into account the positive affect of immigration.

 

I often wonder if this is how Nazi Germany started, and I'm thankful we have much better ways of fact checking the information that is put out into the domain.

[tobyjugg2]

I often wonder if this is how Nazi Germany started

 

Me too

 

It should be disconcerting when the far right and far left have similar goals, which even deeply trouble the rest of the nasty party

 

Having said that, momentum is at last seeming to question the little tyrant they have enabled.

 

 

But worry not (sic) operation yellowhammer will ensure any civil disobedience can be dealt with

 

U.K. Military Stockpiles Food, Fuel, Ammo Ahead of Brexit:

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-26/u-k-military-stockpiles-food-fuel-ammo-ahead-of-brexit-sky

 

 

Interesting that they are stockpiling arms in the Falklands - now that could have been embarrassing

 

Argentina invades again the week after Brexit ...

 

Cobra:

Where do we send the soldiers - the streets of Britain or the Falklands?

Err PM - The ammos in a container at Calais waiting for the duty to be paid and the queues to clear ... about 3 months projected delivery time if we pay the duty today ..

 

 

PM: send helecopters

- err French air traffic control wont give us clearance

PM: Send the Navy

- err The ammo is in the container at Calais and they wont let us enter their national waters

PM: Nuke em

- err the USA wont let us fire their missiles at their oldest and most useful ally, and anyway they have more nukes than us.

PM: I thought we were their most useful ally?

- Not any more PM, Not any more ...

[tobyjugg2]

but there is some Good news PM

The yanks are sending us 100 million chicken carcasses,

They are out of date but it doesn't matter - they are chlorinated.

 

They've said we can add it to what we already owe them and they'll send an accountant next week.

[Jase1982]

Don't forget the food riddled with Cockroaches that the US standards seem to find acceptable.

[honeybee13]

The Falklands ammo stores make no sense to me, that's 8,000 miles away, isn't it?

[tobyjugg2]

The Falklands ammo stores make no sense to me, that's 8,000 miles away, isn't it?

 

Still part of Britain - its just that the uncivil disobedience on the streets there might end up being a foreign Army again in that case ..

especially as a war will be just what May might think she needs ....

 

It worked for Maggie

[tobyjugg2]

Labour urged to consult grassroots members on Brexit

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/29/labour-urged-to-consult-grassroots-members-on-brexit

 

"On Tuesday, the national executive committee (NEC) holds its first full meeting this year. Activists will gather outside to hand leaflets to members, calling on them to ask the party’s half a million members what Jeremy Corbyn should do next."

 

 

"Polling suggests Labour members overwhelmingly support a “people’s vote”, "

 

 

 

"Corbyn has been an enthusiastic supporter of increasing the involvement of party members as a longtime member of the Campaign for Labour Party Democracy."

 

We shall see

[honeybee13]

I think we've already said he was keen to increase their involvement and to listen to them until he disagreed with the membership.

[tobyjugg2]

I think we've already said he was keen to increase their involvement and to listen to them until he disagreed with the membership.

 

Surely HB, you mean

until they disagree with Him

 

excommunicate them!

- errr deselect them,

they clearly aren't real Labour so it doesn't count

[tobyjugg2]

So YET AGAIN after agreeing something with the EU

The UK government says 'No we dont agree with that'

 

Only reason can be that they want to upset the EU enough for the EU to entirely stop negotiating as an utterly pointless waste of their time,

giving May, Corbyn, the DUP and the ERG the hard crash out Brexit they want while pointing the finger at the EU

(apart from Corbyn who will point the finger at May).

 

Who the hell would deal with ANY of these people?

No one, as Faux has found out.

 

Britain is well on the way to becoming a pariah state.

Murdock must be howling with laughter.

 

No wonder there are plans to use the army against civil unrest.

Wonder how many will mutiny against orders to suppress their own nation?

Edited January 29, 2019 by Andyorch
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[tobyjugg2]

Cheer up your evening

 

Johnson squarely put in his place over Brexit negotiations live on Sky News last night, as reporter Beth Rigby called him “deluded” to his face.

 

Long Overdue and Enjoy ...

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/watch-boris-johnson-being-called-deluded-by-sky-news-reporter-beth-rigby_uk_5c5165a6e4b0f43e410c831b?ct&utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

[tobyjugg2]

Wonder if Nissans reported abandoning of plans to build the new x-trail model at Sunderland will change

* Sunderlands' Brexit support

* Unite the Unions' leaderships support of Brexit and Corbyns Brexit desires

 

Given that and an apparent 80% drop in investment in the UK car industry and manufacturing

and sales at the lowest level since the financial collapse?

 

Some might call that poetic

I think its awful that the Brexiter lies are hitting the areas that can least manage the fallout.

(Like the growing issues with medicines)

[tobyjugg2]

Regrading the details of this Nissan bribe that are coming to light

It seems even the commons treasury committee was kept in the dark

 

What I find most telling is that Corbyn (apparently) wants out of the EU because of EU rules regarding state support of companies,

 

.. Yet there's the Tories offering a £61M bribe (of taxpayers money) to Nissan (and Brexit assurances Nissan doesn't believe they will keep), a Major UK employer with Unite the Union members ....

 

Really makes Corbyn look a complete prat when you look past the initial surprise doesn't it.

 

 

(Me: Looks at Toyota questioningly)

[tobyjugg2]

Is this real?

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/exclusive-secret-plan-to-slash-tariffs-on-all-post-brexit-imports_uk_5c587b08e4b00187b553da30?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

 

"Ministers are secretly planning to unilaterally cut tariffs on all imports to zero in the event of a no-deal Brexit, in a move that could flood the market with cheap goods and “ruin” industry, HuffPost UK has learnt.

 

Trade Secretary Liam Fox wants to use executive powers – reserved only for ministers – to make a last-minute change to the Trade Bill"

 

"unilaterally switching all tariffs to zero would be an act of “sheer lunacy” which would give Brussels (or ANYONE) no motive to negotiate a future trade deal with the UK.

 

 

 

"Industry leaders’ only hope of protecting firms from being undercut by competition from emerging economies, such as China and Brazil, was to demonstrate they has a “special case” by lobbying the trade secretary personally"

 

 

 

Why bother generating sweatshop Britain when you can just use everyone elses already there sweatshops ....

 

WHAT the heck are their plans for the UK population to be able to earn a living?

Edited February 5, 2019 by Andyorch
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[honeybee13]

That's quite scary, TJ. It hasn't gone down well with the people who commented in the article.

[tobyjugg2]

That's quite scary, TJ. It hasn't gone down well with the people who commented in the article.

 

Even I'm quite shocked at it.

 

I all knew that the erg etc want a race to the bottom in worker and environmental rights and tax reductions,

but just one step and let British industry, and with it Britain as a nation, just collapse in a heap at the bottom just beggars belief.

No wonder Nissan walked away fro the 'deal' they were offered - but now know it wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on. You can be pretty sure Nissan knew before today.

 

The developed nations would treat us like a adjunct of ebay.

 

 

Unbelievable that the person suggesting that isnt just sacked for extreme malicious stupidity, let alone that its a senior minister.

 

 

So much for countries queuing up to trade, no-one thought he meant because you can dump what you like here did they.

 

This actually is monstrous.

[tobyjugg2]

With a bit of luck, they just might be mistaking this (stupid as this is) suggestion

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-ports-eu-goods-customs-checks-calais-dover-hmrc-theresa-may-a8762591.html

 

 

Lets hope it isn't the other way around and the 'temporary' is there to get it in and it just 'becomes permanent

 

 

Both are complete lunacy - just a matter of shades of utter lunacy

[obiter dictum]

It is obvious after today's "Sod Off" to May, Article 50 will have to be extended.

They have had over two years. There is still so much legislation that still has not been repealed or past

[tobyjugg2]

It is obvious after today's "Sod Off" to May, Article 50 will have to be extended.

They have had over two years. There is still so much legislation that still has not been repealed or past

 

Not necessarily

Crash out on March 29th IS the default situation

All it will take is for a continuation of nothing getting done. She HAS made sure of that.

 

If this happens, the surprising thing is it will be Corbyn and the Labour party that will NEVER be forgiven. Quite rightly as with the Tories in complete disarray they should have taken the lead - rather than empowered the chaos.

The Brexiters will desert them as job done,

and the socialists and liberal minded will desert them as betrayed.

The workers will loose their jobs - so they will be enraged.

 

 

May's getting to be a bit like a Jehovah's witness with the EU isnt she

Keeps knocking hoping that eventually someone will see her very strange version of the light

 

Way past time she kicked the ERG into touch rather than dancing to their string pulling.