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    • thread tidied. new thread for the court claim is here  
    • new thread created for this claimform please post here now for anything to do with it now . pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’. Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID. You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .. get a CCA Request running to the claimant . https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332502-cca-request-consumer-credit-act-1974-updated-january-2015/ .. Leave the £1 PO unsigned and uncrossed . get a CPR  31:14  request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant] ... https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ . .use our other CPR letter if the claim is for an OD or Telecom Debt or Util debt]  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ on BOTH type your name ONLY Do Not sign anything .do not ever use or give an email . you DO NOT await the return of ANY paperwork  you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count] ..............  
    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Northampton  Name of the Claimant ? lowell Solicitors : Overdales solicitors  How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to.  13 may 2024 What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ?   Not to my knowledge. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online but it was for a smaller amount they kept on increasing this with me asking Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. It was assigned to a debt collection agency  Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? yes  Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes I also made offers to pay original creditor a smaller amount but was not replied to Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? No Why did you cease payments? I was made redundant and got a less paid job I also spent some time on furlough during covid and spent some 3 months on ssp off work. What was the date of your last payment? May 2021 Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes at the time I communicated with all my creditor's that I was running out of funds to pay the original agreements once my redundancy money ran out that was when my accounts defaulted. I then wrote to all my creditor's with pro rata offers of payments but debt collectors took over the accounts.
    • Just an update for all. I received about a letter every other week, increasing in threat levels. Then I hadn't had one for a about two weeks, then Saturday received a carbon copy of the very first letter they sent me in February. Made me laugh, rinse and repeat. 
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you have already filed your defence.

 

 

cabot wrote stating they cant comply with the section 78 request

they mentioned nothing about the court case.

 

 

two totally diff things.

 

 

did you get a DQ to file out?

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes dx, I sent my DQ back.

 

I realise that they my defence and the contents of their letter are 2 different things but they state that in their letter that they cant enforce it so surely that means they cant try and get a judgement against me or am I going screwy in the head?

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no the letter says they can enforce the 'debt' under section 78

 

 

that is a totally different issue from being able to enforce a court judgement.

 

 

ok, ofcourse, they cant, as they need an enforceable agreement to get a judgement.

 

 

might sound silly, but

 

 

cabot have simply replied to your section 78 request

in the manner that they must under the FCA rules they are governed by...

 

 

 

 

I very much doubt the CCa dept shall we say

has any knowledge whatsoever about the on going claim.

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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dx

 

This is the letter I received from Cabots in February:

 

"Your request for information under the Consumer Credit Act

 

Unfortunately cabot has not been able to provide you with the requested information within the relevant time period.

 

What happens next?

 

We shall continue to request the information from the original lender to assist you with your request. In the meantime, we would like to inform you that your account shall remain on hold with the Customer Care Dept until such time we can comply with your request.

 

Your account

 

Your credit agreement is currently unenforceable, which means we are not permitted to obtain a judgement or decree against you in court. However, you are still obliged to repay the outstanding balance as confirmed in this letter and therefore we would recommend you to contactus as soon as possible to set up a repayment arrangement or continue with your existing payment plan."

 

So you see, they clearly state that they cannot obtain a judgement against me, so why the hell are the solicitors still pursuing it??????

 

Maybe someone could advise me what to do next. I have ticked mediation, as have they. Should I write to the solicitors enclosing a copy of Cabot's letter and ask them what they are playing at, or should I still keep quiet and wait for a court date?

 

This seems to be becoming a bit of a farce.

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well they don't want to lose face

 

 

they issued a speculative claim

hoping for a non contested default judgement

as they and other DCA's do 1000's of times a week

 

 

you called their bluff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I had a call today from the courts mediation service to make an appointment for telephone mediation. When I explained reasons why I disputed that I owed any money to Cabot, they said that mediation was not the answer and a date will be made for a hearing.

 

What will I need to do before I attend the hearing?

 

LTB

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see what cabots next move is

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I had a call today from the courts mediation service to make an appointment for telephone mediation. When I explained reasons why I disputed that I owed any money to Cabot, they said that mediation was not the answer and a date will be made for a hearing.

 

What will I need to do before I attend the hearing?

 

LTB

 

Refer to your Notice of Allocation in particular the courts directions.

 

Andy

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Your Notice of Allocation....you should have received it after you submitted your DQ...it starts all about mediation and then goes to Directions should mediation faill.

 

These are the courts directions of what you must do by date before trial.

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Hi CAG,

 

After weeks of nothing, I have today received a Form N24 General Form of Judgement or Order.

 

It says that the judge has read the court file and "IT IS ORDERED THAT: Claimant must file a reply to defendant by ** June 2015"

 

What does this mean please someone?

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Not sure in what context what they must reply to....CCA/Dislosure/Witness statement ? But what ever if they don't by June...then it looks like sanctions will be imposed.

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Ok, here is the latest.

 

After I receive the form, I phoned the court to find out what was going on and they said that they had sent a request to Weightmans for a defence and had to submit it within a specified time period.

 

I have today received a copy of the defence from Weightmans that they have now filed with the court which means that a court date will now be iminent.

 

Recaping on the whole thread,I have disputed this debt because 1. I have never heard of Moneyway, 2. I never took out any loans in 2008/09 which they state & 3. If I did, it would not have been in my maiden name.

 

  • I wrote to Cabot stating that I disputed this debt and requesting a copy of signed agreement
  • They wrote back saying they did not have it on file but would request it and anticipated within required timescale
  • I defended the claim with statute barred defence as I knew if there was such a debt it would be SB because its in my maiden name. thought that would have been the easiest way .......WRONG!
  • then got a letter from weightmans saying it was not SB as I apparently made a payment in 2009 (There is nothing on my credit file re this debt) so they were cracking on with the claim.
  • Received a letter from Cabot stating that they could not get CCA so account was on hold and they could not get a judgement against me in court back in Feb. Nothing has changed since then.
  • Weightmans have continued to push the claim and I have done nothing but sit and see if Cabots and Weightmans actually communicate so Weightmans will realise they cannot continue because of the letter I have from Cabot, but o no, its still going full steam ahead and that is really where we are now.

I anticipate that I will get a court date through this week.

So, I need help please Caggers with the following questions:

1. Do I need to do a written defence to the court?

2. Is it to late to add to the defence that they have also failed to produce paperwork and they have admitted in writing they cannot get a judgement against me?

3. Should I send a CPR to Weightmans to see what documents they are actually going to pull out the bag at court?

I can post on here there reply to defence if anyone would care to see it.

Any help in plain english would be so appreciated. (Not good with legal jargon)

Thanking you all in anticipation>

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So whats their response/defence LTB ? if you could scan it or type it out (less any identifiable data).

 

Regards

Andy

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So it boils down to whether you did make payment August 09 ?

 

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No Andy, I dont recall making payments to Moneyway or Cabot in the August, in fact to my knowledge I have never had any dealings with this company I have never heard of Moneyway. They havent as yet come up with any documents to prove I ever had an agreement with them.

 

What I need to know now a court date is looming is can I send further documents to the court or can I take these with me? Do I need to prepare anything to take with me?

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Just wait now and see if they wish to proceed...If they do you will have to complete a directions questionnaire and once submitted the the court will direct you what and next you have to prepare

for.

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Okay .....I advise on that many threads I forgot you had already done it......

 

So if you have participated in mediation then you must have had the Notice of Allocation ?

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Yes I received a Notice of Allocation a few weeks ago.

 

 

Then I got a letter from the court that I mention in post #86.

Weightmans complied with the judges request and the reply to defence I recieved the other day which is the document I posted a couple above.

This is why I am concerned as a court date will fall through my letterbox any day now and I dont know what I should do next.

 

 

I want the hearing seeing as weightmans are not giving up because I want to explain to the Judge that I genuinely dispute having anything to do with this debt

as I have never heard of them and they cannot produce docs.

 

 

I will also explain that the reason I defended as SB is because the alleged debt is in my maiden name

and I havent been known as that since 1996 when I got married and there is nothing on my credit file.

 

 

They have failed to comply with my request to provide docs which I requested in Feb and as mentioned earlier in the thread,

Cabots have written to me recently stating that as they cannot produce docs they cannot obtain a judgement against me.

 

What I need to know is should I send a CPR to Weightmans as I havent done that and can I submit a secondary defence of no CCA?

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Normally the Notice of Allocation advises the trial date and Directions in the event that mediation fails.......I state normally in view of the Order you received N24...which is not normal.

Are there any directions contained in your notice of Allocation?

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