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This company is offering lots of software and music CD's for £3.50

http://www.xltrading.co.uk/store/categories/PC-Software/

Apparently what they do is send you a copy of the software as a 'back-up', provided you promise them you own the original discs.

 

Leaving aside the fact that anyone with an ounce of sense can make their own backups, surely it is illegal to copy and sell software/music C.D's.

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In my opinion, no that is not legal. You as the purchaser are allowed to make a backup for your own use, you cannot sell that backup, that is piracy.

 

Why are they insisting that you must already have an original copy, if you have, then why would you want to purchase a so called backup, you can make your own for free.

 

They say they have been going for 3 years, so who knows, if they are only charging for the media and not the software itself, then it might be legitimate.

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MSE has an entertaining thread on them.

 

MSE has just amended most of its posts and closed it.

Another illegal thread has just been removed from the net on another forum.

 

This one, we wish to be deleted as well as it invariably ends up with data protection being broken somewhere along the lines.

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MSE has just amended most of its posts and closed it.

Another illegal thread has just been removed from the net on another forum.

 

This one, we wish to be deleted as well as it invariably ends up with data protection being broken somewhere along the lines.

 

If you are not trading illegally, why do you want to censor debate on your companies products.

 

I don't see car manufacturers trying to silence 'Which' when their products are critizised.

 

Why should you be treated any differently, unless you have something to hide.

 

I will hold off reporting you to fast and adobe to allow you to justify that what you are doing is above board. Failure to do so, or any attempt to threaten CAG and get this thread removed will lead to the conclusion you do have something to hide, and fast will be contacted.

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If you are not trading illegally, why do you want to censor debate on your companies products.

 

I don't see car manufacturers trying to silence 'Which' when their products are critizised.

 

Why should you be treated any differently, unless you have something to hide.

 

I will hold off reporting you to fast and adobe to allow you to justify that what you are doing is above board. Failure to do so, or any attempt to threaten CAG and get this thread removed will lead to the conclusion you do have something to hide, and fast will be contacted.

 

 

Good post :) Here here

 

Agree totally

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If you are not trading illegally, why do you want to censor debate on your companies products.

 

I don't see car manufacturers trying to silence 'Which' when their products are critizised.

 

Why should you be treated any differently, unless you have something to hide.

 

I will hold off reporting you to fast and adobe to allow you to justify that what you are doing is above board. Failure to do so, or any attempt to threaten CAG and get this thread removed will lead to the conclusion you do have something to hide, and fast will be contacted.

 

Before this thread descends into chaos - lets get something straight:

How many posts have been deleted or closed now about us?

Why would they do that had the information on them been correct?

 

We have nothing to hide.. but we will counter and delete any threads which post generally defamatory comments OR information obtained illegally against the data protection act.

 

Why should be different you say?

Oh, just for the simple reason we are being attacked, defamed and libelled.

AND every thread that concerns us has been either closed or deleted so far for just that fact.

Why should this one be any different and any other that is opened.

 

FAST - have already emailed us - we can show you the email.. and know about the service (not piracy)- they agree with us, that it is indeed a service being performed.

Adobe have yet to contact us back.

 

We will have this thread closed and deleted also before it gets out of hand.

 

Good post :) Here here

Agree totally

 

Enjoy it while it lasts.

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On what basis ? where is it illegal ?

 

Because any threads dedicated to us - end up turning into a data protection nightmare for any site hosting them.

Why do you think they keep getting closed or deleted?

 

I can incinuate a lot of things I can't prove.. which is why I keep my gob shut about them, especially online.

So the plan now is, without going into details again - request the threads be closed and deleted.

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subbing this looks interesting.

 

Interesting that XL seem to believe they have deleted threads in other forums - I think what you mean is that you have requested threads be deleted in other forums.

 

Its extremely disturbing that XL believe they have the right to censor legitimate debate on their service.

 

Incidentally a swift google search brings up open threads on MSE regarding this outfit.

 

Plenty more comedy can be found with a google search - particulary on worldpassports.org

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I have no legal qualifications whatsoever, so please check any input I have for accuracy. And please correct me if you disagree!

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Because any threads dedicated to us - end up turning into a data protection nightmare for any site hosting them.

Why do you think they keep getting closed or deleted?

 

I can incinuate a lot of things I can't prove.. which is why I keep my gob shut about them, especially online.

So the plan now is, without going into details again - request the threads be closed and deleted.

 

I don't see how it will turn into a data protection nightmare as it would be closed by the very responsible moderators before it got to that stage, but demanding it also be deleted makes me think there might just be some guilt complex somewhere along the line.

 

 

Copyright law is different from the law of personal property. If you buy a physical object, such as a movie on DVD, you own the physical object. You do not, however, obtain ownership of the “copyrights” (the rights to make copies, distribute, make derivatives and publicly perform or display) in the content of the movie. The fact that you have obtained physical possession of a DVD does not automatically grant you the right to copy or share it.

 

So if you have a license from any of the copyright owners, put them up here for all to see and then we will all disappear with our tails between our legs.

 

I am also glad to see it has been reinstated.

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[quote=Conniff;2485194 there might just be some guilt complex somewhere along the line.

 

I am also glad to see it has been reinstated.

 

 

Agreed - when I first saw this thread I was completely disinterested. The company's attempts to close it down, and the closure of threads on other sites has intrigued me.

I have no legal qualifications whatsoever, so please check any input I have for accuracy. And please correct me if you disagree!

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few quick questions then about xl trading

 

whats the registration number for the data protection commisioners? ive looked but im unable to find one

 

the disclaimer list exclusions under the uks copyright & patent act 1999 however only provides an extract from us law.

 

theres several films out for "backup copy" that are not out in the cinema yet notably "up" explain how this is legal

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Have just had a reply from Adobe

 

    RE: Copying software‏
    From:                     [b]Chris Stickle[/b] ([email protected])                                                             Sent:         07 October 2009 17:35:51           To:          electron99


                    [color=black]Totally illegal…thanks [/color]


 [color=black]Chris Stickle[/color]
 [color=black]Enforcement Manager, Anti-Piracy[/color]
 [color=black]Adobe Systems Incorporated[/color]
 [color=black]601 Townsend St.[/color]
 [color=black]San Francisco, CA 94103[/color]
 [color=black]415.832.5187[/color]
 [color=black]415.832.5140 fax[/color]
 [color=black][email protected][/color]


[b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:20 AM
[b]To:[/b] piracy adobe
[b]Subject:[/b] Copying software




[img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif][img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif][img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif][img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif][img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif]This company
http://www.xltrading.co.uk/store/categories/PC-Software/

Is selling copies of your software for £3.50-£4.50. 
Please can you confirm that they are trading legally, and it is all right 
to purchase from them.

electron99  

 

 

So it seems the days of XLTrading are numbered.

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This is the problem and WHY these threads must be removed.

Until anyone from the legal profession comes onto here, and categorically states that what we are doing is piracy.. it is innocent until proven guilty.

 

There is NOT one UK law that can convict us for the service we provide as under UK law.. you MUST own the legal copy of the media for us to duplicate it for you.

 

Simple as that.. we are not explaining on thousands of sites why - this is the law.

 

The fact that people are contacting (X) to report us will in effect lead nowhere for the simple reason, we have been doing this for over 3 years now with advice from expert legal council before we even put the site on the net.

 

This is why not one trading standards agency, FACT, FAST or any other company has accused us of anything - directly for the reason stated above.

 

We have already explained the fact how we get our products so we are not going into it again.

 

This will become another MSE thread - just watch.

 

It start's off with questions being asked and then errupts into farce, name calling and a blatant witch hunt which is exactly the reason why threads have been closed and deleted.

 

Google have been informed about the other threads and will remove them from there search engine - simple as that really.

 

We have every right to ask for a thread be closed and will continue to do so.

 

It is no 'guilt complex' as some might have said above OR conspiracy in any way, shape or form.. we are tired of answering the same questions over and over again.. usually on un-moderated forums where anything can be said (supposedly!)

 

Again, we would respectfully ask that this thread be closed/binned/or whatever before this whole mess starts up again.

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Have just had a reply from Adobe

 

    RE: Copying software‏
    From:                     [b]Chris Stickle[/b] ([email protected])                                                             Sent:         07 October 2009 17:35:51           To:          electron99


                    [color=black]Totally illegal…thanks [/color]


 [color=black]Chris Stickle[/color]
 [color=black]Enforcement Manager, Anti-Piracy[/color]
 [color=black]Adobe Systems Incorporated[/color]
 [color=black]601 Townsend St.[/color]
 [color=black]San Francisco, CA 94103[/color]
 [color=black]415.832.5187[/color]
 [color=black]415.832.5140 fax[/color]
 [color=black][email protected][/color]


[b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:20 AM
[b]To:[/b] piracy adobe
[b]Subject:[/b] Copying software




[img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif][img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif][img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif][img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif][img=http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/i_safe.gif]This company
http://www.xltrading.co.uk/store/categories/PC-Software/

Is selling copies of your software for £3.50-£4.50. 
Please can you confirm that they are trading legally, and it is all right 
to purchase from them.

electron99  

So it seems the days of XLTrading are numbered.

 

No, what you have done is sent them a message that says 'we are selling a pirate product of theirs' when in actual fact - if you look on the store .. it plainly states in the terms and conditions of the site, that we provide a backup service of the product you already own.

 

This is the WHOLE point of us having threads closed and deleted - purely because of this kind of nonsense.

 

If the CAG wish to peruse our store, please check out the terms and conditions and see what you think.

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No, what you have done is sent them a message that says 'we are selling a pirate product of theirs' when in actual fact - if you look on the store .. it plainly states in the terms and conditions of the site, that we provide a backup service of the product you already own.

 

This is the WHOLE point of us having threads closed and deleted - purely because of this kind of nonsense.

 

If the CAG wish to peruse our store, please check out the terms and conditions and see what you think.

 

Try reading the e-mail I sent them. I asked if you were trading legally and was o.k to purchase from them.They looked at your site and terms and conditions, and told me it was illegal.

 

Who am I to believe - Adobe - who own the software you are 'backing up', or your 'legal team'.

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Try reading the e-mail I sent them. I asked if you were trading legally and was o.k to purchase from them.They looked at your site and terms and conditions, and told me it was illegal.

 

Who am I to believe - Adobe - who own the software you are 'backing up', or your 'legal team'.

 

Nope, what you have stated in the email to them is that and to quote you if I may

 

This company

PC Software -

Is selling copies of your software for £3.50-£4.50.

 

This sets the whole tone for what you 'wish them' to believe.

Had they actually read the terms and conditions they could see why this statement above is totally false.

 

You have not stated at all that you have asked them to 'check out the site' - you have asked them to inspect the PC Software category which contains the Adobe software and implied to them, that we are pirating their work.

 

Had they checked out the T&C's - as FAST did not do before we pointed it out to them (and then they agreed with us - email to prove it if need be) they would have not quite boldly mentioned totally illegal.

 

I will speak to Chris myself and see what he has to say because I call it as a snap judment from someone who has what you have told him in front of him.

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