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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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I received a MET Parking ticket for apparently, overstaying my welcome by 10 mins. I arrived earlier than my wife and kids, waitind for them and then we had food (around £20 worth) and 2 weeks later I get a £50 fine. The silly thing about it was that it was in the winter and it was at night and had not noticed the signs otherwise I would have been more careful. The signs are pretty high up and not easily visible if you are looking out for someone. Anyway, this happened in March and now I am at the stage or receiving letters from "Debt Recovery Plus Limited" where they are threatening me with solicitors and courts which would amount to £255 unless I pay the £150 within 7 days.

 

I have followed the advise on this forum to ignore them but slightly concerned how far they will take it.

 

Has anyone been served a letter from Debt Recovery Plus?

 

Any feedack would be welcomed.

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Has anyone been served a letter from Debt Recovery Plus?

 

Any feedack would be welcomed.

 

So what? That's just another empty threat. You won't be "served" a letter from them. What will happen is that a bunch of private citizens, with no special powers,(i.e. a debt recovery company) will post a letter to you. Just keep ignoring.

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IS all the advice here DON'T PAY MET, NO MATTER WHAT?

 

Just to explain: I got a notice for outstaying my welcome in the carpark of McD's at Stansted. I hadn't seen the signs and went into the restaurant to get "a meal and a drink" whilst waiting for my husband to arrive on a flight that, unbeknown to me before I left home, was delayed by the French Air Traffic Controller's strike. I went to sit in my car whilst I ate so that I could leave instantly if he texted to say he was at the Pick Up point. Apparently, according to the photographic evidence, I overstayed my welcome by 17 minutes (although I did drive in and out of that car park twice) but I can't be sure of the timings.

 

Unfortunately I appealed by email but they now say I have to pay. I am already over the stated payment date in the letter and am worried about what will happen next.

 

Any advice please?

 

As an update on two postal tickets from MET(Autumn 2009). ignored all their reminders/threats and don't take phone calls unless I know the caller - perhaps they tried to call, who knows..

 

All gone away, clearly they gave up. Huge thanks to the people who offered expert advice on here;)

 

Cheers.

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The advice on this site has been great, although I'm ignoring these notices on behalf of my other half, and she takes a bit more convincing.

 

Just recieved a threatening letter from http://debtrecoveryplus.co.uk/ , after around 5 or so reminders, so it appears they are using different companies.

I can't say I'm surprised that what seems like a genuine company would be willing to take these jobs on, knowing they have no legal standing. Seems that these claims/compensations based firms are popping up everywhere.

 

Anyway, thanks for the advice.

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I received a letter from MET parking recently after receiving letters previously about how charges have increased (Latest total £255) and threats of bailiffs where they have considered my case and are will to drop the charge to £150 if I pay within 10 days. I have naturally ignored it as I thought how can they negotiate on something they are considering as being illegal.

Has anyone else experienced one of these letters?

Tony

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I received a letter from MET parking recently after receiving letters previously about how charges have increased (Latest total £255) and threats of bailiffs where they have considered my case and are will to drop the charge to £150 if I pay within 10 days. I have naturally ignored it as I thought how can they negotiate on something they are considering as being illegal.

Has anyone else experienced one of these letters?

Tony

 

Yes, the usual discount that shows how desperate they are now getting. Carry on ignoring.

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The advice on this site has been great, although I'm ignoring these notices on behalf of my other half, and she takes a bit more convincing.

 

Just recieved a threatening letter from http://debtrecoveryplus.co.uk/ , after around 5 or so reminders, so it appears they are using different companies.

I can't say I'm surprised that what seems like a genuine company would be willing to take these jobs on, knowing they have no legal standing. Seems that these claims/compensations based firms are popping up everywhere.

 

Anyway, thanks for the advice.

 

I have a copy of the letter if anyone would like me to attach.

Can I attach it on here?

Edit, worked it out. Should be attached.Debt Recovery edit.jpg

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Thats strange, the actual image is at full resolution, just came up small on here. Did I read something about mod's have to approve attachments? Maybe its that.

 

Anyway, one of the sentences was something along the lines of "Do not ignore this, for a list of CCJ's succesfully issued see http://debtrecoveryplus.co.uk/ccj/ "

To me thats is just a list of names, with a reference that doesn't mean anything to me. Even if they are genuine CCJ's, there is nothing to say it was for recoving debts on behalf of private parking firm.

 

I completly un-bothered about their claims. Just makes me angry at the crap they use to trick people out of cash.

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DRPL offers a ‘No Collection - No Fee' recovery service for your unpaid Parking Tickets. We collect on behalf of many of the UK's leading Parking Management Companies and are responsible for thousands of payments per week. We have a tailored process which has evolved over the past 6 years, to become an efficient and highly effective collection procedure, which produces industry leading results and brings every case to a conclusion.

 

Brings every case to a conclusion - yep absolutely correct - conclusion means it has ended which can be either success or failure - meaningless

 

The list is meaningless as it does not tell you what they were being chased for

 

MET does not do court - personal experience

 

Ignore works well and with the current round of scamvoices am up to the red reminder at £150.00 with the DC letter expected any day. It costs me nothing to file them in the drawer with all the rest

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i cant believe these cowboys are still teaming up with McDs, Similar thing happened to me at a different McDs, they will try and scare you into paying, be firm dont pay.

 

See my complete thread

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?164687-Parking-Ticket-while-at-McDonalds-Drive-Thru&p=1770656&highlight=#post1770656

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Hello all,

Having received a parking charge notice from MacDonalds Boreham, i was a first shocked and then i looked on this forum and watchdogs U tube,and decided to take the advice of others and ignore it, however i was due to return to the same place yesterday and took the notice and other print out off the net with me. Macdonalds have taken to displaying notices about the it being necessary to impose time limits, also on the notice is says "if you are in a large group and require additional time for your visit please speak to the duty manager who will be more than happy to help" this i did, having spoken to staff and they are just as unhappy about having to deal with Met as we are, saying they dont get any income from it, I said well sadly it impacting on their reputation, and there customers.They suggested that customers write to head office, as this macdonalds are not in favour of Met either.

i am not sure what they call a large group , but i was arranging to met friends who my daughter stays with and it an equal distance for both families, so we try to arrive at same time but can't rely on traffic etc for one or both of us not to be late by 15mins or so

Result Anyway the manager took note of my name phone number, email and car reg, and promised to sort it out. today have had email and phone call saying the parking charge has been cancelled

so i have nothing but praise for the staff at Boreham interchange macdonalds.

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Perhaps this is a new policy following their recent appearance on 'watchdog' to make them more public friendly. Guess this would make MET a nuisanace to McD's but the knock on effect is italso makes them a nuisance to the rest of us who have to make aditional trips to the recycling bin ;)

 

The head idiot that runs the gatwick one was less than co-operative as was McD's head office earlier in the year when a member of my family fell into their trap. Luckly I knew of the [problem] through previous encounters with other PPC's so went the ignore route and after the inevitable junk mail they went away

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I think the onus is on MET to prove , 1. vehicle was there, 2. Who driver was. Personally I would respond saying I have no knowledge of this and request any evidence they have with reference to vehicle and driver. If they continue to send demands without the relevant info then it becomes harassment and threaten them with this.

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It's all bull and nothing to do with appearing friendlier. Do you think that this parking company just turned up out of the blue and decided to administer the car park? No, they are there because McDonalds wrote to them and gave them a contract to do so.

So McD must take 'all' the bad press and dissatisfaction on their own shoulders, none of that can be passed on to the parking company.

The parking company creates bad press, but McDonalds owns it.

 

sb118 has the answer.

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hi everyone,

 

I have recently received a parking charge notice from MET stating that my taxi was parked stationary OUTSIDE the Mcdonals service station near to Stansted Airport. I must admit that I stopped outside the service station to take the customers call to communicate with them where to meet me at the airport.

 

 

That only took no more than 5 minutes for sure. I tried to contact MET but they are only interested in taking the payments over the phone and nothing else.

I have been refusing to pay then so far But now they have referred me to a DEBT RECOVERY company which they keep sending letter to me or keep calling me to pay them £160.00 or they will take me to the court.

 

Anybody can please help me why to do??

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