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    • Banks have different limits above which they require Probate. So it may be Probate is not needed, although as he died with no Will that could complicate things. Is all the £28k with Virgin Money? Your wife should contact all banks who hold his money with the death certificate and ask them what they need to release the funds to her. Most banks have a central "bereavement department". Check their websites. Use that department rather than general call centre or bank branch. Your wife may also have to provide evidence that she is his daughter. When his wife died it sounds like they had a joint bank account so that's why her money just went across to him. But as it isn't a joint account now transfer to your wife won't be quite that simple.  
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    • She's an only child and he as a brother and sister. He has no will and we have done a check on this to find out if he had left one and nothing has come up. He has savings of around 28k His sister and brother are well off so 28k is nothing to them and aren't interested in his money. This just leaves my wife/his daughter. Would this still need to go to probate there is no estate e.g house or business to sell and the amount left in his bank is just small? When his wife died they just closed her bank account and moved her money across to his account and we just assumed that once my wife has handed in the death certificate and shown evidence of who she is the same would apply to her? We don't know yet the council have only just written to us today with a guide of what to do next.  
    • Did your FiL leave a Will and if so who is the Executor? Strictly speaking banks could refuse to take instructions until Probate is granted but In practice I would expect the bank to take instructions to cancel the DD if the Executor presents the death certificate and a certified copy of the Will
    • Hi   Sorry I probably wasn't clear enough. He had lived in the flat until December 2022 with Dementia by this time it was unsafe for him to have capacity to live on his own and he had to move into a nursing home. We had left it too late to apply for power of attorney so approached a solicitor in March last year for Deputyship. We were still in the process of dealing with it by May 2024. He passed away a few weeks ago and the solicitor was contacted to halt the application and we will just pay the fees of what work he has done up until now. My wife was the named person on her dads bank account but we didn't have the ability to alter any direct debits hence the reasons for applying for Deputyship as we were having problems trying to stop some payments coming out of his account Eon being another difficult company. We kept his flat on from December 2022 - August 2023. it was at this point I contacted Sancutary housing to inform them he was no longer living in the flat, it had been cleared out and was ready for a new tenant and that he had Dementia and had moved into a nursing home December 2022 and explained the reasons why we kept it on. As the named person to speak on his behalf I asked them what proof they needed in order to give notice on the flat e.g proof of dementia and proof that he was living in a nursing home and anything else they wanted. The lady in the upstairs flat and some of the other residence in the street had asked about him and we had told them he had moved into a nursing home. The lady in the upstairs flat wanted his flat for medical reasons so asked us once we had given notice could be let her know and she'll ask them if she can have it. We explained the difficulties and it was left at that but I did tell her I would let her know once notice was given. I contacted the company by email a number of times and also telephone conversations and nobody followed it up and it wasn't till the end of February this year that the housing manager for the area wrote to our home address to ask about him that he had been to the flat a couple of times and nobody answered and he had asked some of the residence in the street and they hadn't seen him for sometime. There was an email address on the letter so I contacted him and copied in the last 2 emails I sent Sanctuary regarding me wanting to give notice on the flat for at least 9 months explaining that it went ignored as well as telephone calls. I also stated I wanted to have his rent payments returned from the date I wanted to give notice which was from August 2023 as the bank wouldn't let us stop the DD without POT or deputyship explaining we were in the process of Deputyship. He gave some excuse about not having POT to cancel on his behalf and spoke to someone in HR and said he would contact the nursing home to confirm he was there with Dementia and if it all checks out we can give notice on the flat which came to an end on the 22 March 2024. There was not mention of back payments for the rent already paid or the fact I had asked to give notice in August 2023. Despite someone living in the flat from 1st April they continue to take DD payments for the flat and have taken another 2 payments of £501. another concerning thing despite Eon not allowing us to cancel the DD to his account the lady upstairs informed Eon that she was moving into the flat February 2024 and Eon refunding the account to his bank and said in an email sorry you are leaving us and canceled his account. Something they wouldn't let us do but a stranger. She also changed her bank account to his address despite the fact notice hadn't been given on the flat yet. So we need to find out how much information Sanctuary actually had for her to tell her power company she was moving into the flat in February despite the housing manager only just getting in contact to find out where he was. So a complaint is going into Eon and Sanctuary and we are going to take advice and ask the bank to charge back the rent. My wife hasn't taken the death certificate to the bank yet to inform them of his passing.  
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Hi Cerberus Alert

Sorry, I didn't make clear in my posting that in my bletter I stated full disclosure under CPR part 31.16(3) © & (D) would be rquired if no resolution was forthcoming - so I presume that I should now formally request this info as per template letters - ps HSBC hate template letters !!Cheers

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Hi Cerberus Alert

Sorry, I didn't make clear in my posting that in my bletter I stated full disclosure under CPR part 31.16(3) © & (D) would be rquired if no resolution was forthcoming - so I presume that I should now formally request this info as per template letters - ps HSBC hate template letters !!Cheers

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Yep stick to the timetables in PT's thread and send the two template letters.

 

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Hi Guys/Gals

Latest news on battle with HSBC . Having inolved metropolitan after stating in letter "no further value in continued correspondence on this matter".I quoted this as being reason for no reply

They are now using Central Debt at Worthng to state doorstep collection- dated one week earlier than letter received-Also HSBC offered settlement figure on debt

Questions are

Have I got them running? Seems theyare just sending one rubbish letter a month

Saw newspaper article recently about older debts being unenforceable without signed agreement. O/H took out card in 70's

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If they are offering settlement figures and the more pointless forms of enforcement ie home visitors, It would tend to lend credence to them not having too much to go on. But don't take that as gospel and there is a chance that they may possibly provide a copy of something enforceable at a later date,

 

but as a rule of thumb, the longer it takes them, the less likely that it actually exists and if it's from the 70's there is even likelihood of an agreement appearing.

 

How far is the debt off being statute barred? A debt is deemed to be statute barred when no acknowledgement of the debt is made, nor payment made against the debt for a period of at least 6 years,

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If they are offering settlement figures and the more pointless forms of enforcement ie home visitors, It would tend to lend credence to them not having too much to go on. But don't take that as gospel and there is a chance that they may possibly provide a copy of something enforceable at a later date,

 

but as a rule of thumb, the longer it takes them, the less likely that it actually exists and if it's from the 70's there is even likelihood of an agreement appearing.

 

How far is the debt off being statute barred? A debt is deemed to be statute barred when no acknowledgement of the debt is made, nor payment made against the debt for a period of at least 6 years,

 

1970s must of been Midland Bank ? it was in the 70s that credit cards were sent out to all and sundry with no agreements, only excuse if you used it that was the agreemnet, they were issued under name "ACCESS" for Mastercard/visa, Interesting situation I would say, CCA them with a £1 fee, see what happens, if not satisfied SAR them cost £10 they have to respond then. Hope this helps.??????????????????? indication is that is what they are trying to settle with you, i.e. to get some monies out of you as so called settlement as they may not have a leg to stand on,(NO AGREEMENT) signed.???? But in the end settle for the least amount possible as Full & Final Settlement and all files recorded marked satisfied.???

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Hi Guys/Gals

Ongoing saga - Wifes' HSBC card approx 12K.Have followed advice on here up to and including sending serious dispute letter to HSBC inDecemer 2008.

Many letters have passed including sending demands via Central Debt Unit and Dg solicitors nad Metropolitan Credit Services - all part of HSBC - all backed offf when letter regarding seriousv dispute quotedand also another letter from HSBC quoted "there is little value in continued correspondence in this matter",- which I of course agree with!

Now passed to Moorcroft above items quoted to them

Response is HSBC say No record of previous request. Also due to age of account no agreement is availoable. Account opened over 20 years ago.

What should my next action be?

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You have to understand that HSBC tell lies. Whether this is deliberate or from stupidity I know not. But they do.

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I really do appreciate all those 'thank you' emails - I'm glad I've been able to help. Apologies if I haven't acknowledged all of them.

You can also ding my gong if you prefer. :)

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Hi there

 

Once it's gone to Moor@crap then it's GAME OVER (for the OC).

 

Moor@crap is usually the lowest or last in the Pond life chain.

 

Those muppets wouldn't even know which end of their body their as----e is at.

 

Expect a letter from some "New division" such as "Pre School Division" -- That's what caggers refer to their "Pre Court Division".

 

Send a typical Prove it letter to those muppets.

 

You'll probably get about 3 or 4 more threatograms from their "Automated Processing Division" and then blissful silence.

 

No valid CCA -- no debt.

 

Cheers

jimbo

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Hi Jimbo45 &palomino

Thank you for you responses I feel good.

It's not been easy as I am disabled and also have been suffering from depression through all this but now light at the end of the tunnel is NOT another b....y train!

Thank you

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Hi

Have gone route with HSBC to the "as you can't produce signed CC agreement you cannot prove debt or pass it on" stage. Been quiet for 6 months since they tried DCA route.

Now received letter from HSBC stating assigned rights,title to debt to Lowells.Interestingly HSBC letter doesn't have correspondence address on it. Am I right that this just needs a serious dispute" letter or what? Is Lowells just another DCA?All advice appreciated

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Hi Benji,

Lowells do also buy debt, what you received sounds like a notice of assignment.

As above, do nothing till they write, usually very politely at first, to introduce themselves.

Then you can equally politely inform them that the account is still in dispute.

What precise response did you have to your CCA request?

 

kind regards,

Elsa x

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Hi Elsa

HSBC couldn,t produce signed agreement etc and stated they had complied with all my request, and that "we have reached impasse and they could see no benefit in entering into further correspondence on this matter and stated I could refer to Finan. Ombudsman or Courts " Since then they have tried inhouse and external CA where I have used serious dispute letter.

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Hi Benji,

When they say they fully complied...was this because they sent a reconstructed agreement (without signature)?

Did they state at any point that they do not hold a copy of a signed agreement?

 

Just trying to establish the precise state of play as it affects what to say to Lowells.

 

Elsa x

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Ok Benji, thanks.

As you may know, recent developments mean that they can send recons and don't HAVE to supply a signed agreement in response to a CCA request.

However the recon must be accurate, with your address at time of opening and correct inception T&C's, interest rates and prescribed terms and T&C's as varied.

Here's the latest OFT full guidance:

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

So it depends whether their response was in line with this as to whether they are right or not.

 

 

However Lowells aren't that sharp, so lets wait and see what they have to say. :roll:

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