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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Paul. Mine has just been transferred to the Mercantile Court!

 

I suspect it won't get there.

 

Who transferred it? Did you apply for the transfer or was it the District Judge?

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I got a letter with my cheque back for the AQ fee (only good thing about it) saying I did not have to pay as it was now being transferred to the Mercantile Court and to await further instructions and that there will be a prelim hearing on 7th Feb which I do not need to attend. It just all means that they can drag it out even longer. I started this claim in August and Im just about hacked off with it all now!

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Hi all,

 

I was advised to take a look at this thread as I will be claiming a large amount £8000 +.:)

 

 

OMG ! B***s of steel spring to mind !!!!

 

I am rooting for you Paul. You deserve every penny you get . They are certainly making you work for your money !

 

Stick in there and dont forget to let us know . Totally addictive !

 

 

Hope xx

You need to read this if you have ever consolidated lending through your bank,

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/49648-loans-pay-off-overdrafts.html

NatWest

S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) LETTER SENT15/12/06 - STATEMENTS RCD 22/12/06

PRE-LIM AND SOC SENT 11/01/07

FULL CLAIM OF £4093.04 INCLUDING CONTRACTUAL INT :)

JUST WAITING FOR STANDARD BOG OFF LETTER...:rolleyes:

LETTER FROM STUART HIGLEY TODAY 20TH JAN THANKING ME FOR MY LETTER AND ADVISING ME THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERING MY CLAIM.... YEAH, BET THEY ARE !!!:lol:

LBA SENT 29/01/07

 

**** G.W.G PAYMENT OFFER RECEIVED TODAY FOR £2160. THAT WILL DO NICELY AS PART PAYMENT MR HIGLEY !!!:D ****

 

 

 

 

 

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I got a letter with my cheque back for the AQ fee (only good thing about it) saying I did not have to pay as it was now being transferred to the Mercantile Court and to await further instructions and that there will be a prelim hearing on 7th Feb which I do not need to attend. It just all means that they can drag it out even longer. I started this claim in August and Im just about hacked off with it all now!

 

Have just been viewing this thread & i wish Xmas & New Year were over just so i know outcome. Fingers crossed 4 u guys! Am about to start my claim with NatWest so this has been veerrry helpful, my thx. Mercantile Court is for business claims & pretty heavy commercial stuff! usually claims can only be started in Mercantile Court if they exceed £200k. Are you a business, or is some part of your claim based on business charges? am not bein' nosy for sake of it, part of my claim against NatWest is for when i traded as a sole trader.

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A number of cases have been tranferred to the mercantile court in 'batches' hopefully because the lagal system is trying to force the banks into disclosure, failed up to now because the banks are still paying out before hearings.

 

Paul & mob, just to say we're still with you and wishing you everything you wish yourselves for the New Year xxx

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A number of cases have been tranferred to the mercantile court in 'batches' hopefully because the lagal system is trying to force the banks into disclosure, failed up to now because the banks are still paying out before hearings.

 

Paul & mob, just to say we're still with you and wishing you everything you wish yourselves for the New Year xxx

 

Thx for that info, very interesting! Will bear it in mind for when NatWest try to get out of refunding me my ££££. Wishing all very Happy & Prosperous New Year.

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Warhorse, my claim is only for £4,300 and nothing to do with a business.
. Thx for that. Just curious as I had business a/c & wondered if any1 else had familiar tale, but it didnt seem to matter to 'em from where they took the £££s. Good luck with your claim & Happy 'Prosperous' New Year!!!!
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I have just finished reading this complete thread. It's been like a thriller novel. Trouble is, someone has ripped out the last page of the book????

 

Come on paulschieber what the hell is going on. Its been over a week since your last message. I am sure that I am not the only one on the edge of my seat waiting to hear if you have beaten the wicked witch of the NatWest.

 

Hopefully, you received the full amount and have been in a drunken stupor since (I know I would).

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It is very unlikely that paul has been paid up as he would certainly have updated this thread for us all to see. It is more likely that nothing much has happened as yet.

 

Sorry stansfield, it was wishfull thinking with a hint of tongue in cheek.

 

I do however wish paul all the very best and hope he gets his claim in full.

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or he's on a beach somewhere hot and doesent care cause he has a suitcase full of used notes next to him and 15 lap dancers doin their thing in frount of him- i know the cag would be the last thing on my mind. hummm lap dancers er sorry

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No - He's sat in rainy Mansfield waiting for the postman (again!) so no hot sunny beaches yet or lapdancers - (lapdancers will be a never if Mrs S has anything to do with it.)

 

I'm not really expecting anything before the hearing on 17th January but we live in hope!

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No - He's sat in rainy Mansfield waiting for the postman (again!) so no hot sunny beaches yet or lapdancers - (lapdancers will be a never if Mrs S has anything to do with it.)

 

I'm not really expecting anything before the hearing on 17th January but we live in hope!

 

So the cobbettslayer is alive and well, resting between bouts.

 

We are all behind you 100%. (Chinese proverb....man with money has many new friends).

 

From what I read on this site I fel sure that they will settle before going to court........surely.

 

This story must have a happy ending for our hero the cobbettslayer.

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Oh yes I'm still here.

 

The Cobbetslayer may have the evil witch of the Natwest on the ropes but I suspect she is just licking her wounds before the final skirmish.

 

It isn't over as they say, until the fat lady sings, so butter up your tonsils lard ass cos I'm coming to get you - in court next week if you have the bottle.

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Oh yes I'm still here.

 

The Cobbetslayer may have the evil witch of the NatWest on the ropes but I suspect she is just licking her wounds before the final skirmish.

 

It isn't over as they say, until the fat lady sings, so butter up your tonsils lard ass cos I'm coming to get you - in court next week if you have the bottle.

 

Go get em!!!!

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Well that's raised the stakes a bit. In the post this morning I have had this:

 

In the Mansfield County Court

The hearing of the claimant's application for the Defence To Be Struck Out will take place at 10:10 on the 17th January 2007.

That's a bit better than an application for an order to respond to my CPR Part 18 request.

 

I'll be off to sharpen my sword then:)

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Well that's raised the stakes a bit. In the post this morning I have had this:

 

In the Mansfield County Court

 

The hearing of the claimant's application for the Defence To Be Struck Out will take place at 10:10 on the 17th January 2007.

 

That's a bit better than an application for an order to respond to my CPR Part 18 request.

 

I'll be off to sharpen my sword then:)

 

Once more unto the breech dear friends once more!!!

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No chicken counting yet guys.

 

Being serious, I've got a week to prepare and I intend to make it stick this time but as it's not the first time I've been in court with Cobbetts I'm not going to make any predictions about the outcome. Over confidence can be a big handicap.

 

The one thing I do know is that I can't actually lose the case at this hearing but I can win it so it's time to focus on giving it the best I can on the day.

 

Only the judge can decide the outcome.

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Right attitude, Paul.

But excuse us if we cheer ou and and will you to win!

 

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Right attitude, Paul.

But excuse us if we cheer ou and and will you to win!

 

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All support gratefully received Westy:)

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