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    • Particular's of claim for reference only 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Suggested defence 1. The Defendant contends the particulars of the claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.3 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. The claimant has not complied with paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre action protocol) failed to serve a letter of claim pre claim pursuant to PAPDC changes of the 1st of October 2017. It is respectfully requested that the court take this into consideration pursuant 7.1 PAPDC. 3. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had financial dealings but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification. 4. Paragraph 2 is denied. I have not been served with a default notice pursuant to the consumer credit act 1974. 5. Paragraph 3 is denied. i am unaware of any legal assignment or notice of assignment. A copy of assignment was sent by Overdales solicitors when acknowledgement of receipt of CPR request was received, but this was not the original.   6. Paragraph 4 is denied. Neither the original creditor or the assignee have served notice pursuant to sec86c of the Credit Consumer Act 1974 Notice of Sums in Arrears and therefore prevented from charging interest on debt regulated by the CCA1974. 7. The defendant submitted a request for a copy of the alleged agreement pursuant to s78 CCA 1974. The claimant has acknowledged receipt of request but has failed to comply. The claimant has failed to provide any evidence of balance or Default Notice requested by CPR 31.14 8. It is therefore denied with regards to defendant owing any monies to the claimant. therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to:  a.  Show how the defendant has entered into an agreement with HSBC. b.  Show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a Default notice pursuant to section 87 (1) CCA 1974. c.  Show and quantify how the defendant has reached the amount claimed for. d.  Show how the claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity  to issue a claim. 8.  As per civil procedure rule 16.5 (4) it is expected claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 9.  Until such time the claimant can comply to a section 78 request he is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.     .
    • OK, well rereading the court orders from March, in the cold light of day rather than when knackered late at night, it is quite clear that on 25 June there will only be a preliminary hearing about Laura representing her son.  Nothing more. It's lazy DCBL who haven't read things properly and have stupidly sent their Witness Statement early. Laura & I had already been working on a WS, and here it is.  It needs tweaking now after reading the rubbish that DCBL sent and after all of LFI's comments.  But the "meat" is there. Defendant's WS - version 1.pdf
    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
    • Hi, we are looking to get some opinions on weather or not to bother fighting this PCN. This comes from a very big retail park parking where there are restaurants, hotel, amongst other businesses. The parking is free but I suppose there must be a time limit on it that I am not aware of. We were in the area for around 4 hours. Makes us wonder how they deal with people staying in the hotel as the ANPR is on what appears to be a publicly maintained street (where london buses run) which leads to the different parking areas including the hotel.  1 Date of the infringement 26/05/2024 2 Date on the NTK  31/05/2024 3 Date received 07/06/2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]  YES 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Entry and exit photos however, based on the photographs we are almost sure the photos are taken on public street. This is the location I believe photos are taken from.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eii8zSmFFhVZDRpbA 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? UKPA. UK Parking Administration LTD 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] The Colonnades, Croydon, CR0 4RQ For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. British Parking Association (BPA) Thanks in advance for any assistance.  UKPA PCN The Collonades-redacted.pdf
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Hiya all First my appologies to the siteteam concerned as i mean't no offence as i said above i really do reconise the good work you do just i was getting really depressed at optima legals abuse of process. Right now i have recieved today a copy of optima's latest witness statement ill scan and post it up this evening at first glance its nonce ill post my thoughts soon as i can get to my PC as im sending this via my fone Regards

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Obviously it's a worrying time for you PF, but like PT I had a rough day yesterday and was shattered last night, and you did too. I'm not sure if you realise that the site team aren't paid so just come and help when we can, same as everyone else.

 

Will look at the defence when it's up.:)

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Sorry can't help you pompeyfaith.

This is all just as new to me too. My cases havent even got this close yet.

If you don't get advice here for a while phone the court and take their advice.

I really do wish you the best of luck with this. I really do understand how frustrating this all is and how we seem to be abused by the whole process.

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Thank you all that have posted the moral support really is appreciated.

 

Thank You Caro yes I do understand all moderated support is voluntary and I thank you immensely for that.

 

Im not sure if you are aware but i had a stroke a while ago and had to have major brain surgery and as a result of this im left with poor memory high blood pressure plus some physical problems like a drop foot club hand etc.

 

But on the bright side i am usually a happy person who is willing to help anyone particularly in the PPI forum but i do have a problem with all this legal stuff and get quiet frustrated at times specially when the so called legal powers abuse the CPR rules.

 

Anyway enough of that i will now proceed and post up the latest Witness statement from Optima Legal so please bear with me as its a few pages.

 

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Thank you all that have posted the moral support really is appreciated.

 

Thank You Caro yes I do understand all moderated support is voluntary and I thank you immensely for that.

 

Im not sure if you are aware but i had a stroke a while ago and had to have major brain surgery and as a result of this im left with poor memory high blood pressure plus some physical problems like a drop foot club hand etc.

 

But on the bright side i am usually a happy person who is willing to help anyone particularly in the PPI forum but i do have a problem with all this legal stuff and get quiet frustrated at times specially when the so called legal powers abuse the CPR rules.

 

Anyway enough of that i will now proceed and post up the latest Witness statement from Optima Legal so please bear with me as its a few pages.

 

Regards

 

Pompeyfaith

Well

 

Pompey, lets get the documents posted and we can see what we can do to help you out eh?

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Thank You PT they are uploading to photobucket now

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Hmm, Interesting

 

so the law according to our optimistic is that, you can sign a contract, then retun the contract to the lender at which point they can then send out a different contract to that which you originally agreed and you are then bound by the contract which you have not seen before

 

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH Right

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Ok reading though this in:

 

1.3 it says they did not receive the order until the 30 th Jan 09 1 day late, but they judge spelled it out to them on the 15th in court so i cannot understand the delay there

 

3.1 the exhibit NK 1 is a letter i could not use in court as it states WITHOUT PREJUDICE and still do not believe an organization as big as MBNA could take as long as 5 months to produce the requested docs.

 

3.1 (3.3) Did the court really list a trial for 3 march knowing there was a summary outstanding? rather optima requested the trail now nowing the summary was very flimsy.

 

3.2 this was sent to me late

 

3.4 At no time was i supplied with 3 copies and i have never been given a copy to keep

 

3.5 why have i not been supplied with the terms until now

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Yup PT this is all nonce since when has an agreement been attached to the card carrier.

 

Oh and those terms are the latest ones as i see they have the new £12 fees mentioned which i believe was 2007 the terms a agreed too had the higher fees.

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Also that agreement looks nothing like what i signed

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OH and if you look at that agreement you will notice the PPI is not filled in and i remember requesting this on the application.

 

I even have statements that show PPI being applied

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Yes indeed do i now need to do another summary statement in response to theirs also because they did not comply to my CPR PART 18 until 30th December which i requested on 18th July 08 i have not had the chance to file my full defense

 

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I'm sure PT will be able to help you much more than me on the legal stuff Pompey, but I'll stay subscribed to your thread in case I may be able to chip in from time to time.

 

I would say though that you need to know if you're looking at summary judgment or a full hearing before you can tell what your next step should be.

 

I'd suggest you write something like:-

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Case number xxxxxxx

MBNA v Pompeyfaith

 

I am writing with regard to the above case due to the conflicting information I have received from the court.

 

The notice of (insert date) indicates a decision on summary judgment on (date), while the notice of (date) indicates a full hearing on (date). It would appear that there has been an error, and I would appreciate clarification on how this case is to proceed so that I can prepare accordingly.

 

I look forward to a response at the earliest opportunity.

 

Yours faithfully

 

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hiya PF

 

just re read your thread from start to finish - because a lot of us being referred here but id already subbed it anyway

 

we are having a lot of dn s sent out to us with mbna's a lot of my fellow caggers ive subbed to their threats have received dn 's today or last week

 

thus all claiming due to section 8 oh dear, are you going to be our saviour in all this - we really do hope

 

following now with huge interest, and also to see if the experienced caggers will make of this too, we all would appreciate their insight

 

thanks and still thinking of you and your battles PF take care for now

 

laters angel x :cool:

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Good Evening Angel,

 

Thanks for popping back to my thread it really is a comfort knowing there are people out their that care.

 

As you would of noticed Optima Legal have now dropped the summary judgment i wonder why.

 

I now have a trial date set for 10:30 on the 3rd march as i see it the clause 8 still stands as the T&C's they have sent in there latest witness statement are not the T&C's i signed too as at the time he charges where a lot higher than the £12 quoted in these T&C's plus i would imagine the judge would want to now why these where not produced before seems they are clutching at straws.

 

There is also the matter of PPI whch i have been charged month on month from the beginning but the box on the agreement is not ticked and signed.

 

Anyway not long now until judgment day and i hope i am the bearer of good news for all MBNA CAGGERS.

 

Regards

 

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Is there a clause 8 on the agreement ?

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Good Eve PF and everyoneyou are very welcome and ive dug out my copy of what ive been sent trashy type of cca with supposed presribed terms on the back of the trashy front bit, and attached this was via my SARs request too, terms and conditions which of course are the current ones never from the 2003 yearthus this is why when i got the dn today and your thread matched up via AA99 post it all clicked with me, the terms and conditions are the current ones, i dont believe i ever got the original terms and conditionsi trust that the law and fab defence you have in place will prove you right and that this could be opening door for the rest of us, i mean id be honoured to quote your won case as part of my defence lolhey keep the positive thoughts going, and do take care of yourself, remember once this is over, i hope you have the energy to live your life with peacelaters angel x

hiya again not sure why my posts are reading in a strange way this eveanyway i wanted to first ask if you wouldnt mind if i passed this thread (yours) to others ive befriended here who also have mbna issues, so that they can read your thread and we can learn from each other a bit moreill wait on your reply laters angel x

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Im happy to help with support and my own thoughts, but if I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action.:)

 

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I have also just been on toxicdebts thread and found something interesting on para 3

 

Account Number: XXX

 

Re; your recent reply to my request under section 77-79 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

I note that you have replied to the above by sending a copy of an agreement, and your company’s current Terms and conditions. I must inform you that this is not sufficient to comply with the request and that your company is now in default under the act.

 

The document that you are obliged to send me is a true copy of the properly executed Agreement that contained all of the prescribed terms, all other required terms and statutory notices and was signed by both your company and myself as defined in section 61(1) of CCA 74 and subsequent Statutory Instruments. If the executed agreement contained any reference to any other document, you are also obliged to send me a copy of that document. In addition a full statement of this account should have been sent to me detailing all debits and credits to the account.

 

The documentation (agreement) sent refers to terms and conditions listed on a separate document. This document (original terms and conditions in force at the time the agreement was drawn up) was not sent. Therefore my request remains outstanding and until I have received the above documentation. Whilst these issues remain unresolved, there is clearly uncertainty and dispute between you and myself and the account will remain in dispute.

This breach of the agreement can be demonstrated as follows;

To satisfy a section 77-79 request, creditors must supply the original terms of the agreement. Section 11(g) SI1983/1557 states even if an agreement has been modified the creditor must supply a document embodying the original terms when requested under s77-79..

 

As you are no doubt aware section 78(6) states:

If the creditor fails to comply with Subsection (1)

(a) He is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement.

As you have failed to comply with a Statutory Request for a true copy of the said Agreement and other relevant documents mentioned in it, and failed to provide some of the documentation requested, consequentially, any legal action you pursue will be averred as both UNLAWFUL and VEXATIOUS. Furthermore I shall Counter-Claim that any such action that constitutes unlawful harassment.

 

Please note you may also consider this letter as a Statutory Notice under section 10 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to cease processing any data in relation to this account with immediate effect.

 

 

Furthermore you should be aware that a creditor is not permitted to take ANY Action against an account whilst it remains in dispute. This includes the following

 

* You may not demand any payment on the account, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.

* You may not add further interest or any charges to the account.

* You may not pass the account to a third party.

* You may not register any information in respect of the account with any credit reference agency.

* You may not issue a default notice related to the account.

 

Legal Action

I reserve the right to report your actions to any such regulatory authorities as I see fit, and take such legal action for any of the following infringements of my civil liberties – Court action will be any or all of the following - Harassment, Distress and Trespass and any other unlawful activity that you see fit to engage in.

 

 

I hope this explains why your reply was unacceptable I await a legible True copy of the agreement including all other necessary documentation as specified within the act, and would remind you again that whilst the request has not been complied with the dispute continues.

 

 

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thanks for that PFi will have a look at what letter i sent as my reply,well, my letter which they have not replied to and plus advised them to treat as a complaint and i had wanted a reply within 14 days which has now expiredi think i will have to take a bit from this letter and send another letter just to cover all the basesi also am thinking to report them to FSA because any complaint has to have a written acknowledgement within 5 days of receipt otherwise they have breached the guidelines, well for banks, now need to check if also for credit cards and loans,,etc,,,will update you all and thanks again

sorry my post is all clumped together not sure why when ime doing it in blocks to make it easier to readlaters angel x

Im happy to help with support and my own thoughts, but if I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action.:)

 

my new motto is,,,",Taking back control of your life and home - such peace is priceless"

 

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Hi Pompyfaith

 

I also had stored this too. Not sure if it helps, its a bit 'Rumpole of the Bailey Mu'lud' :| so I didnt put it in my letter...

 

The regulations regarding what may be omitted from these copies these are contained with SI 1983/1557.

 

The regulations state:

(2) There may be omitted from any such copy-

(a) any information included in an executed agreement, security instrument or other document relating to the debtor, hirer or surety or included for the use of the creditor or owner only which is not required to be included therein by the Act or any Regulations thereunder as to the form and content of the document of which it is a copy;

(b) any signature box, signature or date of signature (other than, in the case of a copy of a cancelable executed agreement delivered to the debtor under section 63(1) of the Act, the date of signature by the debtor of an agreement to which section 68(b) of the Act applies);

 

It is quite clear what can be omitted from the copy document, this again asserts that all other details of the agreement should presented in form and content as required by the regulations.

 

The requirements of the Agreement regulations 1983/1553 are very explicit in describing the form and content of an agreement and this as I have demonstrated also applies to the copy of any such agreement with the above mentioned proviso

 

Just thought you might want to read the full monty :)

 

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Thanks i did notice you were here for quiet a while:) I will be taking notes at the trial so will update all when i get back.

 

Regards

 

Pompeyfaith

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