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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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its going fine for me to.

 

I got a free taster bottle of JD threw the post this morn and will be using it tonite.

 

Stardust. How about sending it as a worm and wiping out there whole systems now that would be cheeky and really nasty.

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Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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I'm at work til 8, and the weather outside is depressing me, it's a glorious evening here on Tyneside and I'm in the office , and what's more depressing is knowing there's 4 pubs within 30 seconds of where I work :( lol

Be good to yourself, when nobody else will

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How did you get the freebie bottle of JD? :o

All I got off them was a luggage tag. I only ever go camping, so anyone want to swap it for something more frisky?

 

From online surveys etc all I have so far is....

 

4 energy saving bulbs (containing enough mercury to start a queen tribute band)

a measuring thing for fabric conditoner

ink cartridge for a printer that broke 2 days before it arrived

some cat biscuits

samples of victoria beckhams perfume (smells like toilet duck)

and a £25 voucher for firebox.com after I spent about 15 hours filling in pointless surveys for 6 months.

 

And a gingerbread man in a pear tree......

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These are video links to show how I deal with Debt Collectors.

 

Fly fishing for C.A.R.S

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zPtzK8FqE6k&feature=related

 

Frederickson International don't accept my card type

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Got it Need to send annoying devil round as computer technician to dca land. That would be great for utube;) Get picture of troll to appear on all their smelly desk tops. 1000+:D

 

I'd love it if he did the dog poo thing on the bridge gag again. Imagine Moorcroft's call centre desks covered in dog poos + one in each of the employee's mouths. Just to prove all they speak is a total load of sh1t

These are video links to show how I deal with Debt Collectors.

 

Fly fishing for C.A.R.S

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zPtzK8FqE6k&feature=related

 

Frederickson International don't accept my card type

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Ok....better get this thread on topic again....

 

I sent Moorcroft a bill today.

 

£6 for each letter I have had to write £66

 

£3 for each pointless call I had to answer from them £36

 

£6 per hour I spent on CAG ""researching consumer law" £1800 (CAG Addict me)

 

£122 because they added the same in charges while the account was in dispute.

 

£1000 for the distress and worry their threats and calls have caused me. (I wet myself laughing at their attempts to scare me and I have a dry cleaning bill to pay.)

 

I doubt I'll get it, but I'll scan their reply on here just for the entertainment value. :p

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These are video links to show how I deal with Debt Collectors.

 

Fly fishing for C.A.R.S

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zPtzK8FqE6k&feature=related

 

Frederickson International don't accept my card type

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PMSL!! FuzzyBobble, you are a genius.I think I will try the same thing, Im battling them for my mate.... Here's mine. £5 for every letter I have had to write to them (so far) - £50.£15 for all the phone credit I have used texting instructions to my mate to tell her what to say when they ring and harrass her!£16.99 for the new ink cartridge I had to buy due to all the letters I've been forced to write :-)£2000 (at least) for the distress they've caused ME - having to listen to my mate banging on about it constantly.... :-)Not as good as urs though FuzzyBobble.... my work mates think Im a nutter now cos I laughed out loud when i read that :-) off I go to the looney bin :-)

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR A FAB NITE LEE! xx

Sunderland 011008 - THE BEST BIRTHDAY PRESSIE EVER! 'Aww, it's your birthday! Happy birthday darlin!'

 

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i like that!! its simple and good and gets the fans involved aswell x x x

 

MY SUCCESSES -

 

1st Credit (Lloyds TSB) admitted no CCA, reply from OFT 130608, reply from FOS 040608, adjudication stage rejected but still no contact....

 

My mate (Littlewoods/Moorcroft)

300608 -Long running battle,threatening court, CCA letter NO 2 and harrassment letter sent - passed back to Littlewoods early July.

070808 - Passed to Debt Managers, Acct in dispute/BOG OFF letter sent 080808...

140808 - Letter from Debt Managers passing debt back to Littlewoods - RESULT! :D

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Right, I want to sue PAYPAL, along with the bidder responsible for putting me in hospital as a result of their one sided invesigation, not seeing a [problem] for what it was, claiming to be 'neutral' in all disputes yet obviously are when making decisions without investigating them correctly as per their own procedures ... changes or getting anywhere with this? Nil lol

 

 

Oh, and whatever lifelong problems will potentially develop following this enforced stay in hospital yet to be found out. Do you think I would get anywhere? :D

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I used this approach with Mackenzie Hall recently.

The guy was insisting i owed £2,300. I said i would not pay without seeing credible evidence to prove it.

I said okay, you owe me £5,000 but i don't have any evidence of that. Whatever he said, i said back to him.

Mackenzie Hall: "How much can you pay now?"

Me: "How much can you pay me now?"

Mackenzie Hall: "We'll accept a settlement of £1,800"

Me: "I'll accept a settlement of £3,800"

Mackenzie Hall: "We'll start court proceedings"

Me: "I'll start court proceedings"

 

Childish i know but still good fun.

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Send them a bill. With the new regulations and laws since may 2008, they may cough up. Worth a try. Keep letting them break guidelines. Report them, etc. Now us consumers now have teeth to bite back with, we're in with a chance. No mercy people. Give the DCA's the same treatment they've given us.

 

When the day comes where the CAG gets a DCA shut down, it will send shockwaves through the industry and be a start to protect the vunerable out there who don't know about CAG and believe the DCA threat-o-grams.

 

Decent people have to obey the law, and so should the banks, credit card companies, and DCA's. The tide has turned. Let's flood them out.

 

As Wolfie Smith once said (citizen smith/ 70's sitcom)

 

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

These are video links to show how I deal with Debt Collectors.

 

Fly fishing for C.A.R.S

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zPtzK8FqE6k&feature=related

 

Frederickson International don't accept my card type

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZBULlWW6Q&feature=related

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And as a demonstration of how things have affected me ... well, I used to be a typist ... now look at the state of my typing or, should I say, 'spelling'. :D I need a new brain. Seriously. lol

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Just had Cabot on the phone, its been real quiet and I was missing them

 

Cabot: Can I speak to Mr xxx xxx xxx x

Me: Yes, whats it's about

Cabot: Are YOU Mr x x x x x (they must have learnt after the last time)

Me: Yes, want some security details to make sure

Cabot: Err Err yes ok

ME: Gave postcode, DOB etc

Cabot: You owe us xxxxxx

Me: One minute I'll let my cards

Cabot: oh great

 

puts phone down, bashes about abit, waits about 10 mins, shouts upstairs to non existance Mrs (she was still at work, I do have one) DO you know where my cards are, can't find them, bash about some more while reading CAG, wait another 10 or so mins, Shout, It's ok I found them

 

Me: OK

Cabot: What type of card is it?

Me: I have two

Cabot:Which ones do you have

Me: Birthday and Happy fathers day

Cabot: Hung up

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And as a demonstration of how things have affected me ... well, I used to be a typist ... now look at the state of my typing or, should I say, 'spelling'. :D I need a new brain. Seriously. lol

 

 

Welcome to the club, and to what will soon become the longest, most read, and best thread on here. :D

 

Ok, now I've had tons of pm's and messages from people who've read threads on here and said thanks. Among all the depression, stress, and worry that debts have on people. This thread really makes a difference and gives a real positive feeling and that you can turn things around and start living again. I do my bit and the regulars on here have done theirs too.

 

A big, huge thanks to everyone on here who has given time and effort to make this thread, website, and the world a better place to live in.

 

When peeps take 3 hours to read this thread (which quite a few have) and come out feeling more positive and learnt something from it. It has to be a good thing.

These are video links to show how I deal with Debt Collectors.

 

Fly fishing for C.A.R.S

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zPtzK8FqE6k&feature=related

 

Frederickson International don't accept my card type

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DCA: Good evening ... we want to speak to ...

*click*

DCA: Didn't catch that - are you being abusive???

*click*

REPLY: 'You're my my favourite waste of time ... my my myyyy, you're my favourite waste of time. Here I am ... you're my, you're my favourite waste of time *needle sticks* you're my-you're my'you're-you're my'

 

Who you want again??? Nah, this is the home of Owen Paul, I had a hit in the 80s! *slams phone down* lol

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Just had Cabot on the phone, its been real quiet and I was missing them

 

Cabot: Can I speak to Mr xxx xxx xxx x

Me: One minute I'll let my cards

Cabot: oh great

 

puts phone down, bashes about abit, waits about 10 mins, shouts upstairs to non existance Mrs (she was still at work, I do have one) DO you know where my cards are, can't find them, bash about some more while reading CAG, wait another 10 or so mins, Shout, It's ok I found them

 

Me: OK

Cabot: What type of card is it?

Me: I have two

Cabot:Which ones do you have

Me: Birthday and Happy fathers day

Cabot: Hung up

 

:-D:-D:-D

 

That has to be the funniest thing I've read in ages.

Throw in a few bumble bees and you have the best DCA phone call ever.

 

Can't wait for Moorcroft to ring me now. I'll be doing that one for sure.

 

That's what I love about this thread. Instead of fearing DCA's we look forward to their calls.

These are video links to show how I deal with Debt Collectors.

 

Fly fishing for C.A.R.S

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zPtzK8FqE6k&feature=related

 

Frederickson International don't accept my card type

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZBULlWW6Q&feature=related

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Oh, I'm all about making a difference ... ;):D That and 'balancing books' of a different kind ... ;):D

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:-D:-D:-D

 

That has to be the funniest thing I've read in ages.

Throw in a few bumble bees and you have the best DCA phone call ever.

 

Can't wait for Moorcroft to ring me now. I'll be doing that one for sure.

 

That's what I love about this thread. Instead of fearing DCA's we look forward to their calls.

 

I was looking for a bumble bee Mp3 to download, my keyboard still plays up after spitting beer all over it whilst reading this thread! :-D

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