Private Parking Tickets - General discussion points

[dustym]

Hi everyone

I've read through this thread and can't seem to find the answers to my twist on the private parking ticket issue. So I wonder if anyone can give me the benefit of their knowledge.

 

I got a ticket in August for alledgedly parking at Ipswich Hospital for "parking in a manner to cause obstruction to other", in reality it would seem that if you looked closely my front bumper lipped over the pathway in front of the parking space by no more than a couple of inches. After reading the threads here, I ignored the ticket put on my windscreen.

 

I heard no more until today. I received a letter from Roxburghe Debt Collectors demanding I pay £100.25 within 7 days (letter dated 27th November). They have obviously got my details from DVLA which they state in the letter citing Regulation 27(1)(e) of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002.

 

My question is, do I respond to the Debt Collectors with the first Template letter at the start of this thread ? I did not receive any communication from the issuers of the ticket.

 

Also, at the bottom of this letter they state (in bold text !)

"whilst writing, we would like to draw your attention to common law doctrine of the law of agency, which confirms that a principal (registered keeper) is liable for the acts of its agent (the driver). As a result of this, it is our intention to persue the registered keeper/owner of the vehicle in the absence of driver specifics"

 

Can they do that ? That seems to be at odds to what I have read here ?

 

Any advice gratefully received

 

Thank You

Dusty

[lamma]

Its rubbish. you expect a mail [problem] be be truthful ? ?

[heinzbeanz47]

Please do not respond !! Ignore totally. I'm on my 7th letter saying debt collectors are on the way. My solicitor laughed when i showed him the letters. It's highly unlikely anything will become of this. As soon as you respond you have made the first point of correspondence and then they think they have you and will badger you more . Takes a lot of guts and it is scary.

[dustym]

Thanks very much for taking the trouble to reply. I appreciate your help

[lamma]

Solicitor is right. We laugh at the letters as well.

[Blagton]

Hi everyone

I've read through this thread and can't seem to find the answers to my twist on the private parking ticket issue. So I wonder if anyone can give me the benefit of their knowledge.

 

Why do you think makes it any different to other people asking about PPC's ?

 

I got a ticket in August for alledgedly parking at Ipswich Hospital for "parking in a manner to cause obstruction to other", in reality it would

....

 

Come on you can do better than that if you have been reading this and other threads. Stay behind for detention

 

You have not received a ticket. The Registered Keeper has received an Invoice for a charge plucked from the mind of somebody far, far away.

 

I heard no more until today. I received a letter from Roxburghe Debt Collectors demanding I pay £100.25 within 7 days (letter dated 27th November). They have obviously got my details from DVLA which they state in the letter citing Regulation 27(1)(e) of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002.

 

My question is, do I respond to the Debt Collectors with the first Template letter at the start of this thread ? I did not receive any communication from the issuers of the ticket.

 

Ah, Roxburghe - Mickey Mouse set up (Sorry Mickey).

 

..and to answer your question No you don't respond. Put it with the others. Expect maybe one more from them followed by at least two from a chap called Micheal Sobell trading as Graham White Solicitors.

 

Do you need a clue as to what you should do with those ?

 

Also, at the bottom of this letter they state (in bold text !)

"whilst writing, we would like to draw your attention to common law doctrine of the law of agency, which confirms that a principal (registered keeper) is liable for the acts of its agent (the driver). As a result of this, it is our intention to persue the registered keeper/owner of the vehicle in the absence of driver specifics"

 

Can they do that ? That seems to be at odds to what I have read here ?

 

 

Lets see - its all a load of.......dogs have two of them.

 

If I were to say you now owe me £100 for typing this message in responce to your questions and sent you an Invoice would you pay ?

 

Blagton.

[dustym]

LOL OK, I get the picture I'll ignore. Thanks for your help, much appreciated.

Dusty

[letshelp]

No going behind our backs now and contacting them;)

regards

[BigAllyMac]

A friend got a ticket yesterday in a local Focus DIY car park for overstaying a 2 hour limit and so I am grateful to everyone here for the advice which I will pass on to her.

 

Incidentally, up here in JockLand we are at least spared the threat of clamping by private firms: our law treats it as demanding money with menaces and it is therefore highly illegal. That of course doens't stop some companies threatening it in their signs and it just goes to show how dishonest they really are.

[mightyred70]

Right at the beginning the second "golden rule" is 'Do not ignore letters (unless and until you have written a “cease and desist” letter)'. Yet all the way through the message is ignore all correspondance. I have sifted through a lot of posts and there seems to be a conflict of opinion. I ignored the initial unjust ticket (there were - and still are no signs as you enter the carpark). They have now bothered to look me up via DVLA and I don't know whether to reply with response number 1 or ignore them. I am happy to go with the latest opinon. Thanks all.

[Michael Browne]

Right at the beginning the second "golden rule" is 'Do not ignore letters (unless and until you have written a “cease and desist” letter)'.

That was originally written in 2007.At the top Berniethebolt has added:

A Cautionary Note

 

Since I drafted these templates, life and experience has moved on.

Much of the advice given now is to ignore completely all correspondence from PPCs.

 

My only slight reservation about this is that in the remote possibility of a case being argued in court, would a failure to respond be presented by the claimant and accepted by the court as the actions of an unreasonable person? Would this then count against you?

 

It really comes down to how you, personally, see the risk and whether you are prepared to run the risk.

 

If you are not comfortable to ignore all communications and are not happy with running the risk I outlined above then the templates are possibly for you.

 

I have always said, and stand by the view that you should not initiate correspondence.

 

 

They have now bothered to look me up via DVLA

That's cost them £2.50

and I don't know whether to reply with response number 1 or ignore them. .

Yes just keep ignoring....everything

[letshelp]

Mightyred,

 

I have ignored 33 invoices todate without any problem. Safe to carry on ignoring.

regards

[spiike]

Hello everyone,

 

 

 

14 day period? are you sure theres no such thing please? (Lamma)I've had the same notice from 'parking Eye' I intend to follow the advise on these posts and ignore it (initially).

1. My car was parked on a co-op car park ( i say my car- i dont say it was my doing).
   
2. I have been written to as the registered keeper/owner/hirer of the vehicle and they state in print on the parking charge notice that as such i am responible for ensuring that the parking arrangements are complied with and therefore I am required to pay the incured excess parking charge. I dont believe thats a true legal statement is it?
   
3. The provision of parking is obligatory as part of the planning permission for the development, (the co-op group were obliged to provide and maintain car parking facilities to all retail visitors to the area). The store is in a modest retail area with a diverse range of shops and buisnesses all independent of the Co-Op and virtually NO other parking is available to patrons of the other local buisnesses.
   
4. The entitlement to park is free! there is no pay and display and no other forms of charge are levied so i dont see how it can be claimed that the company incured any financial loss or burden through my actions.
   
5. There where a number of empty parking spaces available and i was parked well away from the store in a space not allocated to drivers with specific needs therefore, i cannot have been deemed to have been causing an obstruction.
   
6. The car entered the carpark at 6.00pm December 8th. Natural daylight had already receded by then and the part of the car park and any signage within the area in which the car was parked where not illuminated therefore rendering the signs not only unnoticeable but illegible.
   
7. The notice has a very official look to it incorporating a chequered border and the title 'PARKING CHARGE NOTICE' (PCN!!) indicating that they have made deliberate attempts to mimick official documents with their own. Is this fraudulent as i feel it is deliberatly meant to mislead the recipient?
   

Any response would be most welcome i will let you know of my success, (hopefully), in due course.

Best wishes to all and good luck with your own quests!

Regards,

spiike.

[kiptower]

its ALL rubbish they can make as many fairy tale claims they like however it has no LEGAL basis their claims

 

IT IS NOT A LAWFULL PARKING TICKET, its a [problem] INVOICE

 

and

 

I have been written to as the registered keeper/owner/hirer of the vehicle and they state in print on the parking charge notice that as such i am responible for ensuring that the parking arrangements are complied with

 

just what LAW of the Land says that ? = NONE actually on PRIVATE PROPERTY

 

as for PCN yes its a play on words to make it look official

 

there are 3 simple rules you need to follow now

 

1) IGNORE

 

2) IGNORE

 

2) GOTO 1

[letshelp]

Hello everyone,

 

 

 

 

14 day period? are you sure theres no such thing please? (Lamma)I've had the same notice from 'parking Eye' I intend to follow the advise on these posts and ignore it (initially).

1. My car was parked on a co-op car park ( i say my car- i dont say it was my doing).
   

Nor should you on a public forum.

1. I have been written to as the registered keeper/owner/hirer of the vehicle and they state in print on the parking charge notice that as such i am responible for ensuring that the parking arrangements are complied with and therefore I am required to pay the incured excess parking charge. I dont believe thats a true legal statement is it?
   

You are correct

1. The provision of parking is obligatory as part of the planning permission for the development, (the co-op group were obliged to provide and maintain car parking facilities to all retail visitors to the area). The store is in a modest retail area with a diverse range of shops and buisnesses all independent of the Co-Op and virtually NO other parking is available to patrons of the other local buisnesses.
   
2. The entitlement to park is free! there is no pay and display and no other forms of charge are levied so i dont see how it can be claimed that the company incured any financial loss or burden through my actions.
   

They didn't and can't.

1. There where a number of empty parking spaces available and i was parked well away from the store in a space not allocated to drivers with specific needs therefore, i cannot have been deemed to have been causing an obstruction.
   

It doesn't matter if you were causing an abstruction.

1. The car entered the carpark at 6.00pm December 8th. Natural daylight had already receded by then and the part of the car park and any signage within the area in which the car was parked where not illuminated therefore rendering the signs not only unnoticeable but illegible.
   

So unenforceable as well.

1. The notice has a very official look to it incorporating a chequered border and the title 'PARKING CHARGE NOTICE' (PCN!!) indicating that they have made deliberate attempts to mimick official documents with their own. Is this fraudulent as i feel it is deliberatly meant to mislead the recipient?
   

Exactly as it was designed to do.

Any response would be most welcome i will let you know of my success, (hopefully), in due course.

Best wishes to all and good luck with your own quests!

Regards,

spiike.

 

regards

[lamma]

"the registered keeper/owner/hirer" that up top three different people none of who may have been the driver. Its just the usual rubbish, file and ignore.

[really annoyed]

Hi wonder if anyone can advise what I can do about a parking ticket I have received.

 

I have received a Private Parking Ticket which states that the time must be completed by the issuer in 24 hour clock. The time they have put on my ticket was 1120 when the ticket issue time should have been 2320. The car park does say Pay and Display 24 hour parking, however being a bit dim I thought that you didn't have to pay after 6pm and didn't totally understand the 24 hour parking thing (my mistake). It was also snowing and dark so just wanted to get the car parked while I picked someone up. I was only a couple of hours, was just going to pay it until noticed they had the time incorrect - ticket clearly states use 24 hour clock.

 

I can prove that I was at work at this time 1120 and the vehicle was in the company car park. They have stated that I must pay £60 within 10 days or pay £3 extra per day until is paid. There isn't even an option of a lesser amount if pay straight away. £60 for 2 hours is excessive to say the least!!

 

They have clearly made a mistake on the time, what do you you suggest I should do, I have not contacted them yet? Should I ring them and state that I was at work on that day and at that time?

 

Thanks

Edited December 20, 2009 by really annoyed

[crem]

Do not contact them in any shape or form.

 

You have received nothing more than a PPC invoice which has no legal backing.

 

Do not write to them

Do not telephone them

Do not reply to their scamvoices

Do not pay them

[really annoyed]

Thanks Crem, it wasn't an invoice though it was a yellow packet stuck on my window screen covered in snow.

 

What makes me even more angry is the fact they must have been waiting. I arrived in the pub next door (designated non drinker driver to pick people up) at 10.55pm and the time stated on the ticket was first observed 1105 (which should have been 2305) and then issued 2315.

Really annoying!

Edited December 23, 2009 by really annoyed

[crem]

Thanks Crem, it wasn't an invoice though it was a yellow packet stuck on my window screen covered in snow.

 

It's still an invoice.

They just make it the same size as a council issued PCN and stick it in a little yellow plastic envelope to con you into thinking it is an official "PCN" and not just the crappy little PPC invoice that it is.

[benboy]

Template letters? Why?

 

For private parking tickets.... ignore

[Dublindel]

the object being that the PPC's see the same letter from an organised group instead of individuals. if nothing else it will get thier backs up

[noggin133]

Hi all,back in march I received a letter from Debt recovery plus regarding an outstanding parking ticket from the halfords car park swindon (ticket issued by total parking solutions),I have ignored since reading these pages,today I have received another letter with bold writing Notice of Intended Litigation and that I could be liable to pay £281.75.Should I just keep ignoring??

[GuidoT]

I would continue to ignore Noggin133.

[oldy]

Hi Thank goodness i found this thread. I have received today a charge certificate from UKPC for my car parked in Tesco car park -vehicle parked on yellow lines/hatched area. Obviously they have sent it to me as registered keeper and have not identified the driver.There is a photo showing my car parked slightly over the bay lines.

 

£70 parking charge £40 if paid within 14 days etc etc. Having read this thread I intend to ignore it but my daughter actually works at this Tescos and my car is registered there as belonging to a staff member I also shop there. She was working that day but usually uses the bus. Will Tescos know anything about this charge certificate because i do not want to do anything to jeopardise her job.

Many thanks TP