Private Parking Tickets - General discussion points

[tigerthecat]

hi, can anyone help me here? got a europarking car park fine, so i sent the first template letter saying i am the registered keeper but not the driver on that day, received letter back from them saying if i dont name the driver, quote" :confused:it should be borne in mind that by stating many people have access to a vehicle and as a result the defendant cannot state who had it at any one given time thrn they are comfirming that they did not know who was driving and therefore cannot be certain the vechicle was insured." so what do i do now????

[SURFBOY]

Tell them that you could find out who was actualy driving the vehicle on that occasion but if they would like you to divulge that information it will cost them £200 once you have sought the permission of the driver.

 

However , the best advice on these forums is to totaly ignore anything from them, they will eventualy give up and go away.

This advice does work, just have a read of all the PPC forums.

Edited January 11, 2010 by SURFBOY

[Michael Browne]

it should be borne in mind that by stating many people have access to a vehicle and as a result the defendant cannot state who had it at any one given time thrn they are comfirming that they did not know who was driving and therefore cannot be certain the vechicle was insured."

 

Saying I was not the driver is completely different from saying I don't know who was driving. They're talking bo**ox. Just ignore everything from now on.

 

here's what you can expect:

 

 

http://www.violetmount.com/[problem].jpg

[letshelp]

hi, can anyone help me here? got a europarking car park fine,

 

It's not a fine, it is more like a begging letter.

 

so i sent the first template letter saying i am the registered keeper but not the driver on that day,

 

One letter too many, but you have stated your position leave it at that.

 

received letter back from them saying if i dont name the driver,

 

Under what legal authority do you have to tell a private company the name of anybody?

 

quote" :confused:it should be borne in mind that by stating many people have access to a vehicle and as a result the defendant

 

Surely you only get a defendant in a court case! And we are an awful long way from there.

cannot state who had it at any one given time thrn they are comfirming that they did not know who was driving and therefore cannot be certain the vechicle was insured."

 

And that is anything to do with them, how?

 

so what do i do now????

 

Ignore them completely, have another read of their pathetic letter and have a good laugh.

regards

[lamma]

hi, can anyone help me here? got a europarking car park fine, so i sent the first template letter saying i am the registered keeper but not the driver on that day, received letter back from them saying if i dont name the driver, quote" :confused:it should be borne in mind that by stating many people have access to a vehicle and as a result the defendant cannot state who had it at any one given time thrn they are comfirming that they did not know who was driving and therefore cannot be certain the vechicle was insured." so what do i do now????

 

Complete twaddle from the PPC - and misleading twaddle at that. report them to Trading Standards for Breach of CPUTR. see http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/164651-problems-ppcs-face.html?highlight=problems+ppc+face

[YorkshireWorrier]

At the risk of asking what has been asked countless times, I wonder if someone would mind very much telling me if, with possible changes to the law, the current advice would still be to ignore, ignore and then ignore again letters re a Parking Charge Notice. I have received one of these and was just going to accept that I had been stupid and pay up (£50 if I pay this week, then £80, rising to a possible £110). However, before I signed on the dotted line I decided to do a bit of research and came across this forum. It seems to pretty much cover what I wanted to know, but I read one of the posts from quite a while ago and I wondered if the law had changed. The letter I received is from Parking Eye and apart from the car registration and the place and time, is very like a lot of the letters posted about in here. Many thanks for any responses I get.

[kiptower]

one or a few PPC's have been spouting the Changes in The LAW , there is not its only something dreamed up on Planet Perky ( search for PERKY on the forum ) yet another one of their [problem] statements, but as watertight as a pint of water in a paper bag

 

ignore the rubbish they send you regardless of who they send letters from solicitors DCA's etc there just from the next desk along in their little hovel they call an office in the fantasy world of "SCAMVILLE"

 

golden rules DONT contact them in any way WHATSOEVER

 

then

 

1) IGNORE

 

2) IGNORE SOME MORE

 

3) GOTO 1

[YorkshireWorrier]

Many thanks kiptower - so glad I came online before coughing up and paying them.

 

YorkshireWorrier (who is worrying a bit less now!)

[kiptower]

Great but regardless of what they send file under rubbish, and if and only if (chances are about 0.000000001%) they actually did send real County Court Papers (a few have tried sending Court Forms without the Court seal, a [problem]) there are many here that will help you with it

 

Also IGNORE any Notice To Owner saying you are Libel etc, its total hogwash, and you don’t have to tell them, who was driving either, only A Council with a real PCN can send a NTO, and the Police have similar powers

 

Bottom line PPC's are [EDIT] and leaches feeding of people who don’t know their Legal Rights

 

And tell every one you know about the [problem], and point them to CAG, where they can read all about it

 

Kip

 

 

and if you have a min please sign the petition in my sig for Wootton Bassett, be nice to go over the 10,000

Edited January 12, 2010 by kiptower
typo ooops

[YorkshireWorrier]

I feel so much happier about it now. It also helps to know that I can get further information if I need it.

 

Thank you again.

[letshelp]

and if you have a min please sign the petition in my sig for Wootton Bassett, be nice to go over the 10,000

Would also be happy to sign Kip, where is the link?

regards

[kiptower]

in my main sig, but here you go

 

Petition to: rename the streach of road (B3102) between RAF Lyneham and Wootton Basset, HIGHWAY OF HEROES. | Number10.gov.uk

[letshelp]

Thanks Kip, signature added.

regards

[barney_gumble]

Saying I was not the driver is completely different from saying I don't know who was driving. They're talking bo**ox. Just ignore everything from now on.

 

here's what you can expect:

 

 

http://www.violetmount.com/[problem].jpg

 

I have to say, I love that picture, absolutely spot on, and it looks like one of mine in there.

[daylyt]

CP Plus - result for the good guys!

Ref. #672 & 722 above and Blagton's reply -thank you - I have just received a letter from CP plus cancelling the notice, saying no further action will be taken and aopologising sincerely for any inconvenience! RESULT!

I did receive an acknowledgement for my complaint to the DVLA but nothing else. However, I did also complain to Consumer Direct requesting my information be passed to Herts TS, and they were very solicitous and positive. I have yet to discover why CP plus back-tracked but, after 3 attempts to extract money fraudulently from me with no return contact or result, they seem to have given up. If I discover which organisation did the job I'll post the answer. Keep up the good work!

[heinzbeanz47]

hey everyone haven't posted for a while but seeing as there as a few worried people on here thought i'd help out. I am on my 4th letter from UKPC since beginning of September 09. I DID NOT RESPOND and i STILL HAVEN'T. The last but one letter said if i paid in the next 7 days they would take a discounted charge of £50 as a pose to £70. But if it wsn't paid it could rise to £200 etc... bla bla... The i had another letter 2 weeks after that stating the exact same, but adding that they were doing me a huge favour by still accepting £50 off me. That was around the end of november 09. My solicitor laughed when he heard. I am expecting more letters. But will not be doing anything about them . SAying that my rabbit needs new hutch paper to shred. KEEP IGNORING . and again thanks for the support xx:smile:

[daylyt]

CP Plus and Ranger Services

Ref: #672/722/739 A final, I hope, note to my personal Parking Charge Notice pantomime. I have just received a very civil but useless justification from DVLA of their information disclosure policy following a request deemed to have 'reasonable cause'. It would seem that the request was made electronically by Ranger Services who have a written agreement with DVLA and are subject to 'audit procedures'. DVLA have been advised by Ranger Services that due to an administrative error the PCN was issued and has now been cancelled. Now, this may have been a simple 'typo' in the request to DVLA or something more sinister. Either way, CP Plus have backtracked smartly with a catchall apology hoping for no follow-up to identify the 'administrative error' and it's perpetrator, claims for harrassment damages or formal charges of obtaining money by deception. Perhaps most interestingly, Ranger Services and CP Plus share the same PO Box in Borehamwood, together with several other 'private parking enforcement agencies'. Perhaps DVLA should conduct a more rigorous audit, TS a formal investigation of the relationships and BBC Watchdog a complete public expose.

Finally, thanks again to all the experienced hands here and their priceless advice to those afflicted - keep up the good work!

[leeds26]

Hi all, I received a £75 parking "fine" from UKCPS when I had parked at the side of a takeaway in the early hours of a sunday morning to collect a pizza. As usual, the pizza wasnt ready at the suggested time! When I returned to the car I found I had been issued this ticket and was in shock.

I read on the forums the best advice was to sit back and do nothing as I would receive letters once they had obtained the registration details from the DVLA. So I sat back....I have now received the following letter which I have attatched, and was just checking to see if this was the normal procedure for UKCPS and that I should continue to ignore the letters.

 

Thanks in advance

[crem]

Thumbnail is too small to read but I'd be 99% sure it is their standard 1st letter and should simply be put in the drawer along with the original scamvoice.

[leeds26]

sorry about the thumbnail!

the letter says they have sent 2 reminders and

"By parking in the area you did you entered a contractual agreement to pay £75. plus £3 per day excess charges if payment was not received in 10 days.

You have clearly failed to honour this contract; therefore today I have prepared papers for court action to recover the amount due and any expenses incurred in recovery."

it then gives contact details and states "If we do not hear from you in 7 days of this letter we will proceed as outlined above. The amount now owing stands at £150 (capped). As a gesture of goodwill we will accept £120 as full and final settlement if sent within 7 days of this letter.

then it gives spiel about how ukcps is an etical company etc

 

After ignoring the first reminders I was just a little unsure as to continue ignoring these letters or send a response using the templates provided on here...?

[crem]

Yep. Pretty standard stuff from them. The £3 per day extra charge is usually good for a laugh. How do they believe any of this alledged debt is running up additional charges of 3 quid a day?

[leeds26]

I dont know where they get the figures from, but from reading the forums the £3 per day seems the standard accross the board for these companies. The line saying as a gesture of goodwill they would accept less, proves how desperate they are for the cash in my eyes.....but like others it was enough to put me in 2 minds whether to respond or not.....glad I havent.

cheers

[crem]

sorry about the thumbnail!

the letter says they have sent 2 reminders and

"By parking in the area you did you entered a contractual agreement to pay £75. plus £3 per day excess charges if payment was not received in 10 days.

They wrote to you because you are the Registered Keeper of the car. They have no idea who parked it there so how can they say "...you entered a contract...."?

You have clearly failed to honour this contract;

yep, coz you never made one

 

therefore today I have prepared papers for court action to recover the amount due and any expenses incurred in recovery."

so they often say. but they seem to be that useless at preparing papers, none of them ever seem to be prepared enough ever to go to court.

 

it then gives contact details and states "If we do not hear from you in 7 days of this letter we will proceed as outlined above.

what? they mean to carry on preparing papers coz it takes forever? Let them

 

The amount now owing stands at £150 (capped). As a gesture of goodwill we will accept £120 as full and final settlement if sent within 7 days of this letter.

then it gives spiel about how ukcps is an etical company etc

 

After ignoring the first reminders I was just a little unsure as to continue ignoring these letters or send a response using the templates provided on here...?

 

[YorkshireWorrier]

A quick update. I was away for a few days and got home to a second letter from Parking Eye. Although they had originally told me I had until 14th January to pay the 'reduced £50 payment' the second letter was dated 11th January - so they didn't even wait to see if I paid by the 14th! The second letter also gives me a grace period in which I can pay £50 and this letter has photos of my car on it, with enlarged pictures of my number plate. The warning adds that 'If payment is not received we may pursue this matter through the appropriate channels.' but doesn't actually state what the 'appropriate channels' are!

 

I bet I'm supposed to be scared now! Thanks to this site (and the very helpful people on it), I'm not.

[letshelp]

A quick update. I was away for a few days and got home to a second letter from Parking Eye. Although they had originally told me I had until 14th January to pay the 'reduced £50 payment' the second letter was dated 11th January - so they didn't even wait to see if I paid by the 14th!

 

You have obviously worked out, correctly, that they do this on purpose with the hope of panicking people into paying for the increase 'deadline'.

 

The second letter also gives me a grace period in which I can pay £50 and this letter has photos of my car on it, with enlarged pictures of my number plate.

 

How nice, the photographs are evidence of nothing.

 

The warning adds that 'If payment is not received we may pursue this matter through the appropriate channels.' but doesn't actually state what the 'appropriate channels' are!

 

The usual, we may.

 

I bet I'm supposed to be scared now! Thanks to this site (and the very helpful people on it), I'm not.

 

Well done sit tight and wait for your free toilet paper which they will be sending anytime soon.

 

regards