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    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
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Have a successful day Post.

 

Good Luck with it all and hope you get a chance to see " The Lanes " in Brighton.

 

Weather looks good for later in the day too.

 

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My comlpaint is now with the FOS and welcome are well aware of this, well i had a call on my mobile last night it went, Hello is ****** there please, I said whose speaking please, he said its Tom, I said Tom From ???, He said oh its a social call, and I said what on his wifes mobile..He stuttered for a while and said If you can get him to call me back, I said inconnection with, He stuttered and said he'll know who it is....is he there, I said No and put the phone down.

 

I did a trace on the number this morning and it is welcome, but they are answering the phone stating who is speaking and not the company.....The woman i spoke to this morning said she couldn't speak to me as i'm not the account holder, all she said was that they wanted an update as to what was happening with the FOS ??????? so if i could get ***** to ring then that would be great, I explained to her that they were not supposed to be calling us and that the account was on hold as i had filed another Complaint...She insisted i get my husband to ring back and i said that i will get him to ring when i recieve a response to my letter dated 31st March, she got really snotty and put the phone down....I then rang the FOS to let them now that welcome had been ringing us and the nice lady said ring them and tell them to put the account on hold...So i rang the snotty girl at welcome back told her what the fos had said and she took the complaint number and their phone number and said i'll update the account...

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morning folks,

first post so please go easy.

im having my own fight with welcome over two accounts with them,

car and personal loan,

sent a cca request in feb, still waiting.

after a number of calls to my home and place of work they offer me a

settlement figure last week for my car, half the balance.

i requested this in writing with a time scale of seven days for the offer to remain valid, time was up yesterday(unable to find a buyer).

received another call at work yesterday( after telling them never to call me at work).

this was from the manager at there collections depo, who never asked for my passwork and started the conversation by are you making payment today.

to cut this short he says he will default my accounts( couldnt stop laffin).

reminded him about the cca request sent in feb, says i will get them no later than friday, will wait and see.

my complaint about the ppi on my loan, his answer-

its been two years since you took out the loan, you signed the paperwork in the office and you knew what you were signing, i wont consider the ppi

compaint as you signed for it at the time. ( laffed at him again).

my answer

i never signed anything in the office ,they came to my home,

never received anything about my loan or ppi,

never asked for the ppi,

didnt know the ppi was on the loan until feb this year.

he has told me the car will be collected in 21 days and to have all my personal stuff removed, he even asked if it was taxed.

he was an ar**h*le.

keep up the fight.

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morning folks,

first post so please go easy.

im having my own fight with welcome over two accounts with them,

car and personal loan,

sent a cca request in feb, still waiting.

after a number of calls to my home and place of work they offer me a

settlement figure last week for my car, half the balance.

i requested this in writing with a time scale of seven days for the offer to remain valid, time was up yesterday(unable to find a buyer).

received another call at work yesterday( after telling them never to call me at work).

this was from the manager at there collections depo, who never asked for my passwork and started the conversation by are you making payment today.

to cut this short he says he will default my accounts( couldnt stop laffin).

reminded him about the cca request sent in feb, says i will get them no later than friday, will wait and see.

my complaint about the ppi on my loan, his answer-

its been two years since you took out the loan, you signed the paperwork in the office and you knew what you were signing, i wont consider the ppi

compaint as you signed for it at the time. ( laffed at him again).

my answer

i never signed anything in the office ,they came to my home,

never received anything about my loan or ppi,

never asked for the ppi,

didnt know the ppi was on the loan until feb this year.

he has told me the car will be collected in 21 days and to have all my personal stuff removed, he even asked if it was taxed.

he was an ar**h*le.

keep up the fight.

 

 

Morning donnymac

 

just send this as your next step to advise them that the account is in dispute as they have not responded to your CCA request

 

Just include your account number and edit.

 

DONT SIGN IT, just print your name

 

You have failed to respond to my legal request to supply me a true, signed copy of the original Consumer Credit Agreement for the above account.

 

On xx/xx/xx I made a formal request for a true signed agreement for the alleged account under consumer credit Act 1974 s77/8. A copy of which is enclosed for your perusal and ease of reference.

You have failed to comply with my request, and as such the account entered default on xx/xx/xxxx.

 

The document that you are obliged to send me is a true copy of the signed, executed agreement that contained all of the prescribed terms, all other required terms and statutory notices and was signed by both your clients company and myself as defined in section 61(1) of CCA 74 and subsequent Statutory Instruments. If the executed agreement contained any reference to any other document, you are also obliged to send me a copy of that document. In addition a full statement of this account should have been sent to me detailing all debits and credits to the account.

 

Furthermore

 

You are aware that the Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for a request for a true copy of a credit agreement to be carried out before your client enters into a default situation.

 

This limit has expired.

 

As you are no doubt aware section 77(6) states:

 

If the creditor fails to comply with Subsection (1)

 

(a) He is not entitled , while the default continues, to enforce the agreement.

 

Therefore this account has become unenforceable at law.

 

As you have Failed to comply with a lawful request for a true, signed copy of the said agreement and other relevant documents mentioned in it, Failed to send a full statement of the account and Failed to provide any of the documentation requested.

 

Consequentially any legal action you pursue will be averred as both UNLAWFUL and VEXATIOUS.

 

Furthermore I shall counterclaim that any such action constitutes unlawful harassment.

 

Please note you may also consider this letter as a statutory notice under section 10 of the Data Protection Act to cease processing any data in relation to this account with immediate effect.

 

This means you must remove all information regarding this account from your own internal records and from my records with any credit reference agencies.

 

Should you refuse to comply, you must within 21 days provide me with a detailed breakdown of your reasoning behind continuing to process my data.

 

It is not sufficient to simply state that you have a ‘legal right’; You must outline your reasoning in this matter and state upon which legislation this reasoning depends.

 

Should you not respond within 14 days I expect that this means you agree to remove all such data.

 

Furthermore you should be aware that a creditor is not permitted to take ANY

Action against an account whilst it remains in dispute.

 

The lack of a signed credit agreement is a very clear dispute and as such the following applies.

 

* You may not demand any payment on the account, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.

* You may not add further interest or any charges to the account.

* You may not pass the account to a third party.

* You may not register any information in respect of the account with any credit reference agency.

* You may not issue a default notice related to the account.

 

 

I reserve the right to report your actions to any such regulatory authorities as I see fit.

You have 14 days from receiving this letter to contact me with your intentions to resolve this matter which is now a formal complaint.

 

I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.

 

I look forward to hearing from you in writing.

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hi,

thanks for the info and link,

was giving them until friday before my next step.

the manager has said he will send them today first class,

was thinking that if they dont supply agreement for the car(hp)

was going to take the car to there local garage and hand them the keys.

lol.

any advice is welcome.

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i called the collections depo who gave me the number for the complaints

depo,( waste of time).

then called collections again and asked if the compaints depo had a complaints depo and what was the number as they

said they couldnt deal with my complaint( lol).

asked them what they do , complaints they say.

you got to laff

had them going round pulling there hair out.

theres a nutter on the phone,

lol.

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i called the collections depo who gave me the number for the complaints

depo,( waste of time).

then called collections again and asked if the compaints depo had a complaints depo and what was the number as they

said they couldnt deal with my complaint( lol).

asked them what they do , complaints they say.

you got to laff

had them going round pulling there hair out.

theres a nutter on the phone,

lol.

 

 

What you need to do now is stop calling them, if they call you hang up. Request all correspondence in writing only as then you have evidence of what they are telling you. Dont do anything with your car yet as there are some very smart people on this thread that will give you all the advice you need

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thankyou for the advice,

will do that, will wait and see.

one thing i will not be doing is signing anything if they come for the car.

unsure as yet what to do with the reg papers for the car if/when its collected.

thanks again for the great advice.

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donny mac how long is your agreement for? if you have paid over half then tell them to come and pick up the piece of crap car - it's theirs and then you walk away owing nothing - a little known law in the consumer credit agreement that car companies don't like to tell you about.

 

Can't wait for the ammendment to the statement law to come in where companies that are loaning on HP have to tell you how many £'s away you are from being able to give them the stuff back and walk away.

 

Welcome will hate that!!

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Just been talking to Welcome I phoned the office back and they basically were abrupt but phoned back straight away to continue the conversation.... they phoned via a mobile..... any thought as to the reason for this ??

 

All calls to and from Welcomes landlines should be recorded - if ther're ringing off a mobile do you think they will be recorded?? Bet not - so basically they can say anything and no record of it - sneeky welcome!

 

Wouldn't speak to them on that number if I were you

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All I said was everything is via letter.... promising to look at every dealing I have had from day one including all charges, re-loan details PPI and staff witnessing my forms etc... When I said in writting please he mentioned the phone calls are recorded... ask for a copy of recording but became evasive nrealised later it was a mobile..... lets see what he puts in the letter.....

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Trying to get them to put pen to paper is like getting blood from a stone. I have been asking them to put anything they wish to convey or ask in a letter for nearly three months.... this one said he was writing it as I spoke to him..... wonder how many promises he will ommit

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i had looked at the hp term , it is under half, i

had thought of that,

have been trying to sell the car dealer/private with welcome being paid direct, manager said i cant sell the car,

had to correct him on that by telling him that the buyer would be paying them direct, not i.

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depending on how far under you are and how much the car is worth it may be worth paying a lump sum to get you to that half way part and then tell them to come and get it.

 

I'm doing that with another company at the moment - not cos I can't afford it, it's that I want a new car and the car I have at the moment is in negative equity cos of the way the car market is at the moment. I am 3 months under the half way point and the peugeot gargae told me instead of them lending me another £1600 to clear the neg equity I should just pay 3 months payments which total £390 and then I can walk away owing nothing. That way its saving me over £1200 in the end and the neg equity will only get worse the older the car gets.

 

Depends how far under you are though and whether you can pay the lump sum

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Just been talking to our companies rep from the bank who finance our products. His commenets were that When they sell ppi, they have to go through needs and demands with the customer to first of all qulify the customer and second to prove if they requsted it or not. On a lot of occasions the customer does not meet there insurance criteria so wont be offered it. They do there needs and demands questionaire so if it is disputed, they have the proof to prove that the customer requested the insurance otherwise it is mis-sold. He found it obsured that an insurance company cannot possibley hold data on any person that they underwrite a policy for and suggested that something is definately not right there. As far as we as customers are concerned, we have a policy to cover us for whatever the cover is but because no needs and demands have been carried out and the underwriters have no data on us then it is just pot luck if you get paid out so in effect, we dont really have a policy..... that was his view anyway.

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