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    • The property was our family home.  A fixed low rate btl/ development loan was given (last century!). It was derelict. Did it up/ was rented out for a while.  Then moved in/out over the years (mostly around school)  It was a mix of rental and family home. The ad-hoc rents covered the loan amply.  Nowadays  banks don't allow such a mix.  (I have written this before.) Problems started when the lease was extended and needed to re-mortgage to cover the expense.  Wanted another btl.  Got a tenant in situ. Was located elsewhere (work). A broker found a btl lender, they reneged.  Broker didn't find another btl loan.  The tenant was paying enough to cover the proposed annual btl mortgage in 4 months. The broker gave up trying to find another.  I ended up on a bridge and this disastrous path.  (I have raised previous issues about the broker) Not sure what you mean by 'split'.  The property was always leasehold with a separate freeholder  The freeholder eventually sold the fh to another entity by private agreement (the trust) but it's always been separate.  That's quite normal.  One can't merge titles - unless lease runs out/ is forfeited and new one is not created/ granted. The bridge lender had a special condition in loan offer - their own lawyer had to check title first.  Check that lease wasn't onerous and there was nothing that would affect good saleability.  The lawyer (that got sacked for dishonesty) signed off the loan on the basis the lease and title was good and clean.  The same law firm then tried to complain the lease clauses were onerous and the lease too short, even though the loan was to cover a 90y lease extension!! 
    • Northmonk forget what I said about your Notice to Hirer being the best I have seen . Though it  still may be  it is not good enough to comply with PoFA. Before looking at the NTH, we can look at the original Notice to Keeper. That is not compliant. First the period of parking as sated on their PCN is not actually the period of parking but a misstatement  since it is only the arrival and departure times of your vehicle. The parking period  is exactly that -ie the time youwere actually parked in a parking spot.  If you have to drive around to find a place to park the act of driving means that you couldn't have been parked at the same time. Likewise when you left the parking place and drove to the exit that could not be describes as parking either. So the first fail is  failing to specify the parking period. Section9 [2][a] In S9[2][f] the Act states  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN fails to mention the words in parentheses despite Section 9 [2]starting by saying "The notice must—..." As the Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the Act,  it follows that the Notice to Hirer cannot be pursued as they couldn't get the NTH compliant. Even if the the NTH was adjudged  as not  being affected by the non compliance of the NTK, the Notice to Hirer is itself not compliant with the Act. Once again the PCN fails to get the parking period correct. That alone is enough to have the claim dismissed as the PCN fails to comply with PoFA. Second S14 [5] states " (5)The notice to Hirer must— (a)inform the hirer that by virtue of this paragraph any unpaid parking charges (being parking charges specified in the notice to keeper) may be recovered from the hirer; ON their NTH , NPE claim "The driver of the above vehicle is liable ........" when the driver is not liable at all, only the hirer is liable. The driver and the hirer may be different people, but with a NTH, only the hirer is liable so to demand the driver pay the charge  fails to comply with PoFA and so the NPE claim must fail. I seem to remember that you have confirmed you received a copy of the original PCN sent to  the Hire company plus copies of the contract you have with the Hire company and the agreement that you are responsible for breaches of the Law etc. If not then you can add those fails too.
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    • I understand what you mean. But consider that part of the problem, and the frustration of those trying to help, is the way that questions are asked without context and without straight facts. A lot of effort was wasted discussing as a consumer issue before it was mentioned that the property was BTL. I don't think we have your history with this property. Were you the freehold owner prior to this split? Did you buy the leasehold of one half? From a family member? How was that funded (earlier loan?). How long ago was it split? Have either of the leasehold halves changed hands since? I'm wondering if the split and the leashold/freehold arrangements were set up in a way that was OK when everyone was everyone was connected. But a way that makes the leasehold virtually unsaleable to an unrelated party.
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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Questionnaire for ticket on Peugeot.

 

1 Date of the infringement 18/06/2023

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 26/03/23
 

 3 Date received 29/03/23
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Y
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] no
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up n/a
 

7 Who is the parking company? Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Manningham Retail Park, JD Gyms, Bradford
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IPC

 

The gym doesn’t do anything for anyone – not prepared to pay even a reduced amount this time. I did input my number plate in the computer, so don’t know why this has come.

I was going to write a letter to them to say that I did put my numberplate in, and they can check the cameras. Just very annoying – I’ve since left the gym and joined something much better!

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Not your fault their equipment is useless.

The usual advice is not to appeal because you could inadertantly lose useful legal protection under POFA 2012.

Get ready for a barrage of threatening letters from the fleecers and their paid minions.

Ignore and keep it all safe.

Only thing you need to respond to is a "letter before/of claim".

Come back here for advice if you get one.

If you're unsure about any,  just post them up here for advice.

Read a few other threads to acquaint yourself with the shenanigans to expect.

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/347084-ppc-successes-no-questions-please/page/15/#comment-5218598

 

BTW, you've got the dates wrong in Q3 and 4 above...😉

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  • dx100uk changed the title to PCM ANPR PCN - JD GYM Manningham Retail Park, JD Gyms, Manningham Retail Park, JD Gyms, Bradford

Yep ignore them, let their computers go through the motions.

If the gym is local to you, can you get photographs of the entrance and any signage, and of signs in the car park.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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All I can find on google maps is one titchy sign at the entrance that you can't read from the vehicle.....

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Hi,

The signage is the same as posted in the thread linked. I'll leave out any letters to them, its just really frustrating - thankfully a lot of people are leaving the place now cus of poor management and 3 hours in a "24/7" gym 😅

 

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This is all getting confusing with multiple tickets and multiple registered keepers.

If I've understood correctly you've had three tickets, paid one at a reduced rate, and have two outstanding, which is why you've got two threads on the forum as we asked.  Is that right?

With this ticket you were the driver - but who is the registered keeper?

 

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ignore till you ever get a letter of claim IF IF IF

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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