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    • Same issue got a fine yesterday for parking in suspended bay which was ending at 6:30 yesterday, next thing I see a fine 15 minutes before it. The sign was obstructed 
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    • Thank you. I will get on to the SAR request. I am not sure now who the DCA are - I have a feeling it might be the ACI group but will try to pull back the letter they wrote from her to see and update with that once I have it. She queried it initially with 118 118 when she received the default notice I think. Thanks again - your help and support is much appreciated and I will talk to her about stopping her payments at the weekend.
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IN THE COUNTY COURT SHEFFIELD

 

CLAIM NO: XXX

 

 

 

HX PARKING LTD (CLAIMANT)

 

VS

 

XXX (DEFENDANT)

 

 

 

Date: 16th July 2022

 

 

 

Witness Statement

 

I, Mr XXX, of XXX am the Defendant against whom this claim is made.

 

I was the registered keeper of the vehicle XXX.

 

The facts in this statement come from my personal knowledge. Where they are not within my own knowledge they are true to the best of my information and belief.

 

1. The Court invited me to file a "concise written response" to the Claimant's Witness Statement by 13 July. i did so on 12 July.

 

Unfortunately I was unable to write much as I had received no Witness Statement from the Claimant.

 

2. The Claimant's Witness Statement did finally arrive dated 13 July and received on 15 July, a full 16 days after the Court's deadline of 29 June. I would respectfully ask the Court not to allow the Witness Statement as evidence. Even though I am an Litigant-in-Person, I respected the Court's deadline, “Incredibly professional solicitors” representing the Claimant did not.

 

3. Should the Court instead allow the Claimant's Witness Statement, I would ask that the following be considered as my "concise written response". I will refer to paragraphs in the Claimant's Witness Statement.

 

4. Para 4. I have shown the Court how the signage appears to a motorist visiting the site, and in particular McDonald's, around midnight. The Claimant has not. The reason is that there are no visible signs. All the Claimant has shown, I reiterate, is misleading close-ups of signs in daylight. I also reiterate that even if the driver had seen the signage - they did not - the mention of a £100 charge is literally the last word on the last line of a long board of text.

 

5. Para 6. It is certainly true that no-one would spend more than five hours in McDonald's. The driver spent 1 hour and 50 minutes, a reasonable time. What is unreasonable is to cut a 5-hour free parking limit during the day when the car park is full and parking spaces are at a premium, to 1 hour after midnight when the car park is mostly empty. There is no reason for this unfair term save to try to catch out cinema goers and late-night diners and thus issue PCNs. Ditto for the non-existent signage.

 

6. Para 8. The Claimant's solicitor can argue all they want that black is white and white is black, but nowhere in the contract is it stated that the Claimant can bring court claims under their own name. There is not even an attempt to quote such a passage because it doesn't exist.

 

7. Para 9. A biased, breakaway trade association does not decide what is lawful and reasonable. This is decided by legislation and the law in England & Wales. Both Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and the government's Code of Practice published in February and based on the Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 disallow these extra charges over and above the £100 of the PCN.

 

8. Para 11. The Claimant again fails to show planning permission and does not deny that planning permission has not been obtained - lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under the Road Traffic Acts 1962 and 1991 and no contract can be performed where criminality is concerned.

 

Statement of Truth

 

I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of Court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

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The second paragraph should be -

 

2. The Claimant's Witness Statement did finally arrive dated 13 July and received on 15 July, a full 16 days after the Court's deadline of 29 June. I would respectfully ask the Court not to allow the Witness Statement as evidence. Even though I am a Litigant-in-Person, I respected the Court's deadline.  Incredibly, professional solicitors representing the Claimant did not.

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Ok here is another one

 

Date: 16th July 2022

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Witness Statement

 

 

 

I, Mr XXX, of XXX am the Defendant against whom this claim is made.

 

 

 

I was the registered keeper of the vehicle XXX.

 

 

 

The facts in this statement come from my personal knowledge. Where they are not within my own knowledge they are true to the best of my information and belief.

 

 

 

1. The Court invited me to file a "concise written response" to the Claimant's Witness Statement by 13 July. i did so on 12 July.

 

 

 

Unfortunately I was unable to write much as I had received no Witness Statement from the Claimant.

 

 

2. The Claimant's Witness Statement did finally arrive dated 13 July and received on 15 July, a full 16 days after the Court's deadline of 29 June. I would respectfully ask the Court not to allow the Witness Statement as evidence. Even though I am a Litigant-in-Person, I respected the Court's deadline. Incredibly, professional solicitors representing the Claimant did not.

 

 

 

3. Should the Court instead allow the Claimant's Witness Statement, I would ask that the following be considered as my "concise written response". I will refer to paragraphs in the Claimant's Witness Statement.

 

 

 

4. Para 4. I have shown the Court how the signage appears to a motorist visiting the site, and in particular McDonald's, around midnight. The Claimant has not. The reason is that there are no visible signs. All the Claimant has shown, I reiterate, is misleading close-ups of signs in daylight. I also reiterate that even if the driver had seen the signage - they did not - the mention of a £100 charge is literally the last word on the last line of a long board of text.

 

 

 

5. Para 6. It is certainly true that no-one would spend more than five hours in McDonald's. The driver spent 1 hour and 50 minutes, a reasonable time. What is unreasonable is to cut a 5-hour free parking limit during the day when the car park is full and parking spaces are at a premium, to 1 hour after midnight when the car park is mostly empty. There is no reason for this unfair term save to try to catch out cinema goers and late-night diners and thus issue PCNs. Ditto for the non-existent signage.

 

 

 

6. Para 8. The Claimant's solicitor can argue all they want that black is white and white is black, but nowhere in the contract is it stated that the Claimant can bring court claims under their own name. There is not even an attempt to quote such a passage because it doesn't exist.

 

 

 

7. Para 9. A biased, breakaway trade association does not decide what is lawful and reasonable. This is decided by legislation and the law in England & Wales. Both Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and the government's Code of Practice published in February and based on the Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 disallow these extra charges over and above the £100 of the PCN.

 

 

 

8. Para 11. The Claimant again fails to show planning permission and does not deny that planning permission has not been obtained - lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under the Road Traffic Acts 1962 and 1991 and no contract can be performed where criminality is concerned.

 

 

 

Statement of Truth

 

 

 

I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of Court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

 

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Unless any of the other regulars have comments today, usual procedure, e-mail to the court, 2nd class post with free CoP to Gladstones. 

 

They're 2nd class solicitors so deserve 2nd class post.

 

No need for exhibits this time.

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If there was a Third Class Post that would be adequate for Gladdys.

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You're right, no time is shown.

 

However, there are two months yet and lots could happen.  Gladdys could give up (but don't bank on it).  The judge might read your mails and disallow Gladdys WS (but don't count on it).

 

Wait till a month before the case.  if there has been no news, then come back here and think about contacting the court.

 

 

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I don't understand why not having the case heard on the papers = postponement.

 

Anyway, wait for further info from the court.

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Because a hearing date has to be allocated and set...which is a different process to setting hearings on papers.

 

 

 

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Have you filed and served your statement and documents ?

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@Andyorch so whats next? Is there anything else i need to submit to the court? Or just wait for the hearing. Also what will happen on the phone hearing when judge ask me any question, do i have to tell that i was the driver and i went to the McDonald's car park or shall i say the driver of the car went to the car park etc

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you answer refering to what you have already stated in your WS and defence.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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 Big Update!!

 

HI guys received email from Gladstone please have a look

 

 

Dear Mr xxx,

 

   

 

We act for the Claimant.  

 

The Claimant, without intending any discourtesy, hereby gives notice that it will not not be attending the final hearing.

 

This notice is given pursuant to CPR 27.9.

 

The Court has been notified of the Claimant's non-attendance and have been asked to deal with the Claim in the Claimant's absence.

 

  

 

Kind Regards,

 

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Oo are they hoping to push On The Paper's make sure a Hearing you can attend online or in person is held.

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