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    • Northmonk forget what I said about your Notice to Hirer being the best I have seen . Though it  still may be  it is not good enough to comply with PoFA. Before looking at the NTH, we can look at the original Notice to Keeper. That is not compliant. First the period of parking as sated on their PCN is not actually the period of parking but a misstatement  since it is only the arrival and departure times of your vehicle. The parking period  is exactly that -ie the time youwere actually parked in a parking spot.  If you have to drive around to find a place to park the act of driving means that you couldn't have been parked at the same time. Likewise when you left the parking place and drove to the exit that could not be describes as parking either. So the first fail is  failing to specify the parking period. Section9 [2][a] In S9[2][f] the Act states  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN fails to mention the words in parentheses despite Section 9 [2]starting by saying "The notice must—..." As the Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the Act,  it follows that the Notice to Hirer cannot be pursued as they couldn't get the NTH compliant. Even if the the NTH was adjudged  as not  being affected by the non compliance of the NTK, the Notice to Hirer is itself not compliant with the Act. Once again the PCN fails to get the parking period correct. That alone is enough to have the claim dismissed as the PCN fails to comply with PoFA. Second S14 [5] states " (5)The notice to Hirer must— (a)inform the hirer that by virtue of this paragraph any unpaid parking charges (being parking charges specified in the notice to keeper) may be recovered from the hirer; ON their NTH , NPE claim "The driver of the above vehicle is liable ........" when the driver is not liable at all, only the hirer is liable. The driver and the hirer may be different people, but with a NTH, only the hirer is liable so to demand the driver pay the charge  fails to comply with PoFA and so the NPE claim must fail. I seem to remember that you have confirmed you received a copy of the original PCN sent to  the Hire company plus copies of the contract you have with the Hire company and the agreement that you are responsible for breaches of the Law etc. If not then you can add those fails too.
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ECP ANPR PCN - MFG Esso Cobham serv station A2 Trunk Road, Cobham DA12 3BH

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pcn A2 cobham serv.pdf      

this is the PCN I received from Euro Car Parks demanding £100 for a 47 minute stay at these services even though I was a customer and there was no signage where I was parked and i can prove i was a paying customer.

Can i do anything?

 

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Hi and welcome to CAG,

looks like you've tried to upload something and it hasn't worked...

Could you please fill in this sticky and we'll move you forward with this...

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/391121-have-you-received-a-parking-ticket-please-fill-this-out/#comment-4683610

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ECP PCN - Esso Cobham serv station A2 Trunk Road, Cobham DA12 3BH

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Abused,

just for info, we had a PCN issued at this location in 2020, whih doesn't seem to have gone anywhere....

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/428393-ecp-anpr-pcn-esso-cobham-services-a2-london-bound/#comments

 

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.1 Date of the infringement 09/11/2023

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]
 

3 Date received 20/11/2023
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Y
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? only entering and leaving
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] N
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up  N
 

7 Who is the parking company? Euro Car Parks

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] MFG Esso Cobham - Gravesend on the A2
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. POPLA

here is the redacted front and back of the PCN !

 

 

2011-14 EPC PCN NTK.pdf

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you still left pcn number showing......done it for you

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ECP ANPR PCN - MFG Esso Cobham serv station A2 Trunk Road, Cobham DA12 3BH

Bongo90 on their thread explains the "reason" for the rubbish you've received.  You are allowed to stay for free for 35 minutes and after have to pay £1.  In what is to all intents & purposes a motorway service station.

Obviously don't pay, their signs are tiny and placed well away from the entrance to the shops so they would be unlikely to do court and if they did do court they would lose.

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For a start their PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 -the Act that covers private car parking.

That means that the charge cannot be transferred from the driver to the keeper should the driver not pay. As anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your car, Euro will have a hard job winning. Especially as the Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person.

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Especially don't appeal it, you could open a can of worms and give them information that's useful to them and makes your life harder.

It would be worth reading some other threads here to understand how PPCs work. They try to frighten people into giving up.

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until or unless you ever receive a Letter Of Claim.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Any update here?  I ask as we have someone new being hassled for parking at this site.

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