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    • An update to this case as I’ve not been on in a while.    I am still awaiting a charging decision in the case. The two police officers involved have said their personal belief is a section 47 ABH charge is the most likely outcome but this isn’t a sure thing of course.    The EA certificate from the issuing court has now lapsed. The court have refused to recertify him until they’ve had a hearing in to the case, and the district judge has issued orders to surrender all evidence, footage, photos etc.    I have done so promptly.    the EA, not so much . Equita have claimed they cannot provide his bodycam footage as the camera he was wearing is the EA personal one not one of theirs.   the EA has claimed he has asked Equita and the police for the footage as he claims he doesn’t have it.    the police have confirmed they didn’t seize his camera and they don’t have it.    so they are basically pointing the finger at each other all the while failing to comply with the district judges order to provide all evidence they intend to rely on at the rescheduled hearing.    The district judge has stated the hearing for his certification will NOT be the hearing for my complaint as there is no charge as of yet, and just as to whether he should be recertified or not.    I’m not 100% on why that can’t be done at the time, but I’m not about to question a judge…..      
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    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
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Standard General Order...the claimant (You) must represent your particulars of claim in more detail and be court compliant......inform the court of their error.

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Just seen your second post.....so the court are ware of the dates.

 

Can you post your particulars of claim here to check and we can redraft them.

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Hi Andy

thanks for your reply

just to let you know

don't have the particulars of claim to hand

however the particulars of claim have already been sent to the court and the bundle of documents

therefore I am not sure what is the difference between a 'fully particularised particular of claims' and a 'particular of claims' solely

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More detail...in  depth...they want a further statement of claim.

 

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part16#16.4

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As quickly as possible according to post # 29 above.

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Hi Andy

thanks again well you're right as per post 29 as quickly as possible

however it does say as per the letter from the court that's if the fully particularised particular of claims is not received by 4 p.m. on the 12th of December the court has the right for the claim to be struck out

therefore the deadline has already been missed and the court should strike out the case

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It does but they have acknowledged their mistake in their response and informed you as your unable to comply with the deadline....submit ASAP therefore they will not impose the dates.

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they have accepted that it was sent out late and advised you to send it pronto with your reason as to whay it is late IN WRITING.

Now particularised POC, they want the whys  and  and also exactly what you are claiming in terms of cash and the legal reason for this,

Ie claiming £2000 for breach of contract, I employed bloggs and co to fit a new bathroom, they took £2000 in payment but failed to do any work contrary to the agreement between us dated the..

 

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hi peeps,

 

hope everyone is staing safe in these uncertain times.

Just a quick update, that the court has now allocated a hearing date 20th July 2020.

 

another update is that the defendant did make no response to the amended p.o.c dated 19th December 2019.....what implications does that have on the defendant.

 

Not expecting to much results from the case necessarily as previously discussed on here. But would like others opinions re the lack of response from the defendant.

 

Kind Regards

and warm wishes

 

BB

court russel 18 march 2020 redacted.pdf

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So the court Order dated 13 th Dec 2019 ordered that you the claimant submit a fully particularised particulars by 4.00pm the 12th Dec (court error) which you informed the court of and they were aware and obviously adjusted the time frame.

 

The defendant by 4.00pm 16th Dec 2019 must submit an amended defence that was CPR 16 complient.

 

An Hearing date was set for 4th Feb 2020 at 10.00am.

 

Did the hearing happen ? 

 

Why have you left it 3 months to update and ask advice ?

 

You could have done something about the non compliance if you had acted swiftly...but time has progressed now and the defendants non compliance will possibly be overlooked.

 

Given that your hearing date is now allocated and happening on the 20th July 2020 ...have you started work on the next stage...the courts directions ?

You could possibly raise the none compliance within your witness statement.

 

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Hi Andy 04th Feb was set for hearing and allocations...not a full hearing! Ie the judge will look at the papers!

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Did the hearing happen ? 

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Why have you left it 3 months to update and ask advice 

You could have done something about the non compliance if you had acted swiftly..

.but time has progressed now and the defendants non compliance will possibly be overlooked.

Given that your hearing date is now allocated and happening on the 20th July 2020 ...have you started work on the next stage...the courts directions ?

You could possibly raise the none compliance within your witness statement.

Andy

It is likely the defendant will not not turn up to the hearing as he has not bothered replying/ submitted a defence

Thanks for your response

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You must still comply with the directions stated in your Notice of Allocation (N157)...its irrelevant whether the defendant complies or not.

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hi there,

just a quick one

was wondering if recordings made in the presence of the defendant without their knowledge are admissible in the small claims court..

.I am getting the transcript and certified documents aposteeled ready for court...Just wondering whats peoples' thoughts on the matter are?

 

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I don't see why not. If you are a litigant in person and you are using the recording for personal use then it seems fine to me. Of course the court would prefer to have the transcript but you should have the recording there just in case.

Using the recording for "personal use" in my view, means anything which is not published. Certainly if you are using it to defend yourself in a court then I would say it is definitely okay. If you are producing the recording to show that the defendant said X – when in fact they are saying they didn't then it seems to me to be very reasonable to use a recording to show that they are actually not telling the truth.

I think it would be a good idea to want the defendant in advance that you have the recording and that you have the transcript and that in court you will be referring to the statement that "X X X was the case blah blah".

I think it's important to be as transparent as possible. I certainly don't think that you should ambush the defendant with this in court. In fact before the hearing I would make it clear on your skeleton argument that you have this transcript and that you will be relying on it – and you can then give the words which were spoken. Also, in the court bundle which you should provide ahead of the hearing, you should provide the transcript and make it clear that it is a transcript of a recording. If the defendant then goes on to deny that he or she said those words, then I think that you are entitled to ask to play the recording. However, you would have to ask the judge's permission. In my young be an idea to provide the defendant a copy of the recording ahead of time so they can consider their reply rather than walk into a trap. If the words that they said are sufficiently important then it might even bring an early end to the dispute because the defendant might realise that they will have to put their hands up.

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You could of course refer to "the recording I made for my own notes" in your witness statement. If there is a discrepancy ebtween the recollections of what was said you could ask the judge if your could refer to the recording ... just listening to it yourself, and then say "the recording I made confirms my recollection".

The other side can then try and claim your recollection is wrong, or that the recording doesn't say that, but hopefully they (or the judge!) will ask for it to be played ..... bingo.

 

If the other side tries to prevent it being listened to (by you, them, or the court....), don't say a word ... whilst it then may not be admissible, it shouldn't influence the judge, but they are human... hard for them not to be swayed if it comes down to "who do they believe".

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Thanks for your response Bankfodder, very kind and really helpful,

am writing to the court, asking to counter the defence and as you say BF, to introduce the Recording and send a copy to the defendant. Cheers

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22nd April 2020

Dear Sirs

Claim number XXX – v – XXX 

Further to the General form of Judgment or order dated XXX, I confirm having received XXX defence dated XXX 

I am writing to inform the court that I intend to submit the following additional evidence before the hearing date of XXX.

  1. A detailed response to XXX’s xx 2020 defence document.
  2. certified Transcripts of audio recordings as part of my response to xxx defence.
  3. I will make the audio recordings available to the court during the hearings in case they are required
  4. The transcripts and recordings will have been provided to the defendant ahead of the hearing so that the defendant is completely aware and has an opportunity to make comments or objections either before or during the hearing.

It is my intention to submit the above to the Court and xxx on or before xxx 2020.

I look forward to your reply at your earliest convenience.

Yours Faithfully

 

 

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Have you sent this letter yet? If you haven't then there are a couple of things that you should add

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