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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I received a parking ticket for £60 if I pay it in 14 days and £100 if I pay it in 30 days from a PCM (Parking control management),

I have a permit however it was on the floor of my car but visible through the windscreen, I still got a ticket,

I appealed the ticket and I still have no reply.

 

I got a letter in the post stating I now have to pay £160 because I haven’t paid,

however I was waiting for the reply from the appeal

 

I called and apparently if I hadn’t heard in 14 days from the appeal I should of called them and I was made aware that it said this on the back of the parking ticket, however they claimed to have sent a letter declining the appeal on the 2nd of February which I still haven’t received,

 

I appealed on the 1st of February and the ticket was issued on the 30th of January.

 

What shall I do?

 

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So you have identified yourself as the driver, what kind of Permit system is it, work? Residential?

 

Hang tight the team will be along soon with other questions in the meantime if you could answer the questions here:

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?462118-Have-you-received-a-Parking-Ticket

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So you have identified yourself as the driver, what kind of Permit system is it, work? Residential?

 

It is a residential area, I live in the area and my car is normally parked there. The area is controlled by PCM and you need permits to park there. I hope this helps.

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Have you got allocated parking, and is it rented or owned properties? Terms of occupation might trump the PPC depending on who allowed them to infest the area. Anyway I'm sure the team will be along soon with useful info and advice.

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We don't have allocated parking and I'm a student at Hertfordshire University living in a rented properly for students.

 

I received the parking charge on the 30th of January, appealed on the 1st and said this:

 

I recently bought a new car, my permit had yet to be stuck onto the new window so it was left on the dashboard. Presumably a gust of wind blew the permit from the dashboard onto the front seat.

 

I was in a lecture when my housemate saw the traffic warden and ran outside to challenge him, however he had disappeared.

 

He got photographic evidence of the permit on display in the front of the vehicle minutes after the traffic warden issued the ticket.

 

The time the ticket issued was 10:48am, the time-stamp on the first photo taken of the ticket and permit on display was at 10:56am (delay caused by searching for the traffic warden).

 

The permit was clearly visible from any angle, which is backed up by photo evidence.

The photos were taken by a housemate who did not have access to the inside of the car, so he saw what the warden would have seen.

 

I live in a rented house that issued 2 parking permits, only two residents of the house can drive (me and one other), so there is no reason why my permit wouldn't have been in the car.

 

I understand that the permit should have been on the dashboard, but due to my circumstances i hope that you can show me kindness and allow me this once.

 

I cant currently afford to pay the charge and it will leave me in dire financial circumstances, potentially leaving me in the situation where i cannot afford to travel home to see my dad, my mum recently passed in December and he relies on me to come home to visit him every weekend.

I can provide photos when requested.

Thankyou for time.

 

Apparently it was declined and i was sent a letter in the post on the 2nd of Feb which i still haven't received and i was made aware of this when i rang up after receiving a letter stating i have to now pay £160 as i didn't enquire about the appeal within 14 daysand it says on this on the back of the parking charge that if i didn't receive a reply in 14 days i had to call, I wasn't given any reason as to why it was declined. this happened in salisbury village a residential area in hatfield.

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1. 30th January 2018

 

2. Yes i appealed, this is what i said:

I recently bought a new car, my permit had yet to be stuck onto the new window so it was left on the dashboard. Presumably a gust of wind blew the permit from the dashboard onto the front seat.

I was in a lecture when my housemate saw the traffic warden and ran outside to challenge him, however he had disappeared.

He got photographic evidence of the permit on display in the front of the vehicle minutes after the traffic warden issued the ticket.

The time the ticket issued was 10:48am, the time-stamp on the first photo taken of the ticket and permit on display was at 10:56am (delay caused by searching for the traffic warden).

The permit was clearly visible from any angle, which is backed up by photo evidence.

The photos were taken by a housemate who did not have access to the inside of the car, so he saw what the warden would have seen.

I live in a rented house that issued 2 parking permits, only two residents of the house can drive (me and one other), so there is no reason why my permit wouldn't have been in the car.

I understand that the permit should have been on the dashboard, but due to my circumstances i hope that you can show me kindness and allow me this once. I cant currently afford to pay the charge and it will leave me in dire financial circumstances, potentially leaving me in the situation where i cannot afford to travel home to see my dad, my mum recently passed in December and he relies on me to come home to visit him every weekend.

I can provide photos when requested.

Thankyou for time.

 

3. I have recieved a letter i don't know if it is a NTK, I recieved it on the 14th of March, there is no photographic evidence, it is a letter from Trace who are a debt recovery company, the letter says i have to pay £160 as the case has been passed on to them. The only thing I have recieved from PCM was the ticket on my windscreen.

 

4. There was no reply from PCM however they have claimed to reply but i haven't received any reason or letters as to why my appeal was declined.

 

5. PCM-Parking control Management, however it has now been passed to Trace-debt recovery

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So the extra ££60 added by the toothless DCA is the famed Unicorn food tax.

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Could you get us some pictures of the signage in & around the area which relates to parking.

 

Try to get some nice close up shots of any displayed (so called) terms & conditions as well.

 

Convert them to PDF and upload them to this thread. :thumb:

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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OK. Could the permit be seen by looking through the windscreen? Even if that meant moving your head.

 

The term on their sign makes the valid display of a permit impossible unless you are a glass engineer.

 

"Displaying a valid parking permit within the windscreen of the vehicle".

 

For that to be complied with you would have to have a new windscreen manufactured for your vehicle with a parking permit embedded within it. And a new windscreen every time that they changed the permit. Sounds a bit much.

 

 

If they want to use legalese on their signs and then try to beat you with it, then they really should be saying exactly what they mean. Otherwise, you can beat them over the heads with their own signage.

 

As it is, you've got a permit and it was on display in the vehicle (regardless as to where it was). Let them do their worst. There's no way that they'd ever win this in court.

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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Further, I've just noticed that they're also claiming to be a member of a trade body that doesn't exist. The "Independent Parking Committee" no longer exists as a trade organisation. Naughty naughty.

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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That sign does seem to ask the impossible and probably get laughed at if they tried court, DF has identified serious breaches below their waterline so follow what the team advise. The devil is in the detail, DF and EB are very good at digging out the detail and any anomalies therein that can be used to tolchok the PPC.

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I'm on my phone, so this is a little harder to type, but...

 

PCM will be 'claiming' that the driver has breached the "terms and conditions that are prominently and clearly displayed"

 

How can a driver breach a condition that cannot possibly be complied with?

 

Further, they will 'claim' that they "adhere to the codes of practice" of their trade association, which is the International Parking Community.

 

The signage however says that they are members of the "Independent Parking Committee" an organisation that does not exist, so how can they be complying with its terms?

 

If PCM have failed to update their signage, that can hardly be the fault of the driver.

 

None of these points will make any difference to PCM unless they try to take you to court, where these points and many others can be used in your defence to beat them.

 

Hell, they might even end up owing you money :lol:

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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DF is Dragonfly1967 who has been giving you excellent pointers, EB is ericsbrother, another thorn in the side of greedy PPC's.

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thanks for the advice, this is looking promising! could you please elaborate what DF and EB mean, thank you

 

DragonFly and EricsBrother

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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OK read the sign carefully, it says parking is permitted for ........ Well, if you werent displaying a permit you are prohibited from parking and prohibition is that, not a genuine offer of parking. This means that the conditions do not apply to you. The argument that the permit was fully visible is equal as the sign doesnt say it has to be in the front windscreen or any other specific place.

 

The Independent Parking Committee was the name used by Will and John of Gladstones for the parking trade association but they didnt register it and someone else did so they had to change their name to the International Parking Community. as they threaten to sue anyone using the former name in relation to parking control they hsould by rights be seeking an injunction against their own member.

 

This may seem to be a petty squabble but it menas that PCM cannot issue a lawful demand at that site because they havent followed the protocols laid down in the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 that prescribes what has to be done so a parking cvo can claim anything from an individual.

 

In short, there are at least 3 reasons as to why this claim is duff and you have already been told the increased amount issnt lawfully binding so even if you owed them money it would be £100 at most and adding the extra probably renders that contract void by misrepresentation so an unfair unenforceable contract.

 

For the moment ignore the muppets and whenit gets as far as Gladstones writing to you then you let rip regarding the use of the wrong IPC logo etc and tell them that you will quote themselves in court if they are stupid enough to take up a lost cause.

 

Let us know what letters you receive and dont forget to update any address you have used even if that menas writing to them before they have done anything else or they may try their luck at court in the hope you dont get the claim form

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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