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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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still fdoesnt stop you reading like threads in this forum.

 

not a lot you can do to screw up anyway,

 

none of these player have any legal powers whatsoever...

 

but then if you read threads you'd already know that......

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi Sparky,

 

DX is so right !!

 

Reading the experiences of others here will put your issue into context - you'll see you are just of 1,000's of folk being harassed by a gym admin Co.

 

Lots of threats but they are simply NOT followed up by action !

 

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Hi!!

 

At what point do I write to them again or seek further advise?

 

They have resent me the same email from November, advising that the document I provided for relocation is not significant enough and my account is placed on hold for 14 days while I pay the discounted amount or get a different document for proof of relocation.

How unprofessional emailing the exact same email 2 months later!!

 

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Hi Sparky,

Hi!!

 

At what point do I write to them again or seek further advise?

 

How unprofessional emailing the exact same email 2 months later!!

 

Looks like you've still not taken the time to read up on Harlands/CRS and how to deal with them !

 

But at least you've described them perfectly - unprofessional :lol:

 

You don't need to write to them again but you DO need to read other threads for advice and reassurance.

 

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And I do hope you're embarrassing them on social media too?

 

Ignoring them is your only real option now, and lodge a formal complaint to the CMA about the gym's ineptitude, and harassment.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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you block their emails and bounce them back too.

 

[ps nice to see you have finally read a other few threads this morning since your post!!]

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi all,

 

Today I have came home and received a letter from Major Law Solicitors on behalf of ARC on behalf of Bannatynes.

 

“Instructing me they have been sent to recover debt which is still outstanding.

Unless we hear from you within 14 days we will seek clients instructions regarding issuing a county court claim against you in Northampton County Court for the recovery.

 

The following costs will be added upon issue:

Debt balance £255.23

Court fee £25

Solicitors costs £50

Annual interest: £20.42

Now gone up to £350

 

What do I do now and who do I go back to?

 

Thank you

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you go back to no-one...

 

read the letter properly

it doesn't say will anything...

 

seek clients instructions

 

its a third party , who's clients are a DCA - the 2nd party

 

a dca CANNOT TAKE YOU TO COURT

 

they don't OWN the debt..

 

only the owner - the 1st party can take you to court

and they'll not even know this letter has been sent

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Incredible, they're still exploiting debtors lack of knowledge by using numerous outfits to give the impression this is being escalated.

 

I hope you've complained to the CMA regarding this?

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Hi Sparky,

 

This is interesting as we've not seen Major Law Sol'rs used for many months.

 

I thought they'd given up on these gym cases because no one here on CAG ever took their threats seriously.

 

In any event, you can safely ignore them for now.

 

Or, if you want to tell them where to get off, let us know and I'll find a suitable draft that should see them scuttling off quickly.

 

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If you want to reply, see the post here - https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?468338-David-Lloyd-and-ARC-Europe-demands&p=4944537&viewfull=1#post4944537

 

Adapt it to reflect your own case but you need say nothing more than in my draft.

 

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I don’t understand how they can send it to a “solicitors”

when:

1: they never advised when I had to technically pay by before they took it this far

 

2: I told them back in November to look at the phone records when I spoke to the member of staff on the 10th may who said the fees would be waived

- they told me to pay £10 to access these calls as it’s by law apparently,

I have a recording of bannatynes saying they don’t have phone recordings in the branches.

 

I’m dreading this as like everyone out there can’t financially afford to pay this or go to court as I’m just lookin to get my first house and don’t want this on my back for the next 2 years with more added stress.

 

Their nothing but bullies and I can see why people give in and pay it.

Having read a lot of stuff online they have said they have ignored it

but you know when there’s that part inside you that’s thinking do you ignore it or not lol.

 

I’m taking it to CMA next week.

 

They always contact on weekends which puts you in the most rubbish mood!!! Grrrrrr!!! LOL

Thank you for your help

 

Do you think it’s worth going back to Bannatynes and asking them for evidence of the contract which I signed - pretty sure my signature didn’t actually go on the contract though!!

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I suggest you go back and read post 35.

 

and i'm not sure where you are reading

but read on CAG not elsewhere!

 

No gym has done court since they lost badly in 2012.

just because someone puts a fake/tame solicitors letterhead in the same printer the rest of the rubbish came from means nothing....

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi Sparky,

 

You really are taking this far too seriously. The chances of this ever going to court a miniscule because the gym admin bullies know they have a poor legal basis to make any claim.

 

Of the 100's of cases i've dealt with here in the past 2 years, I can think of just 1 or 2 when a CAGger has actually paid a penny more to ARC or to Harlands/CRS.

 

We tell them to ignore and that's what they do, because nothing is done further.

 

Don't bother asking Bannatynes for the "evidence" you refer to but DO use social media (Facebook and Twitter) to tell folk how Bannatynes are happy to use bullies to pester and harass their members.

 

Court action may be the easiest way to stop the harassment - you take ARC to court. Cheap and easy !

 

But, regardless, stop worrying about the threats - it's all hot Air !

 

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