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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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I received the NTK, should I be posting that up here? It might put you on until the pictures of the signs!

 

Please do, but make sure that you redact/cover any personal or identifying information.

 

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You may want to edit that and remove the bar code at the bottom :wink:

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In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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Interesting, they forgot to say who the creditor is so obviously not them. OK, I admit being the creditor so you can pay me and that will satisfy the notice you received. The last line is open to considerable debate, if they are agents that means they have no rights to do or claim anything in their own name so again, yo can pay me as I am also an agent of the landowner with as much right to the money as they appear to have by their own admissions.

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Wow, that was a quick payment, please print off the last 2 posts as proof of payment and receipt and send it to: W. Hopeless and J. Dodgy , C/O Gladstones solicitors, the large victorian building, Wormwood Scrubs Common.

In all seriousness you would think that these so called professional parking companies when advised by a firm of solicitors that also run the IPC could actually get the wording of a short letter right. The POFA actually tells them the exact wording to use as a key phrase so all they had to do was cut it out (no pointed scissors, we dont want any accidents) and colour it in.

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please post it up as a PDF

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nope, it hasnt suddenly become a proper NTK creating keeper liability under the POFA.

 

However as they are IAS members the law doesnt apply to them according to Will Hurley.

 

Knowing there is no keeper liability doesnt really help you as it is your car parked outside your house so it would be a fair assumption that you have put it there at least once.

 

Your rights as a tenant under the freehold are a better argument.

 

When you have a little more ammunition regarding other matters such as the signage and planning permission

( most councils are too lazy or busy to enforce the law so you will have to firstly enquire and then kick up a fuss over this)

you can respond to their demand.

 

They may not take any notice of you and resport to getting the IPC/Gladstones to issue proceedings but by then you will have created a paper trail that will show their unreasonable behaviour.

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the visibility of the signs is poor,

you cant see them on entry to the land

and they are poorly placed and not illuminated.

 

That would mean for a casual visitor no contract offer is clearly made so probably a win in court.

 

You, however, live there so your argument is about the right of the management co to allow a third party to be making contracts with you, the leaseholder.

 

They arent going to show you the contract voluntarily so it may well have to go to the wire.

 

Follow up the planning permission angle first so you have a second string to your bow.

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the point is it doesnt say it is them so dont be guessing. This means that they cant make a claim in their own name and they cant act on anyone else's behalf so they are stuck.

 

The reality is they are just too stupid to copy out a paragraph from the POFA and paste it into their letters. They obviously want you to pay them otherwise why would they send you the demand and not someone else?

 

You have to read more widely and then you will realise that the question isnt one that should be asked. We can help you but we cannot do everything for you so dont just rely in what is written in this thread but read a load more, read the POFA, read the Parking Pranksters blogspot, read other parking forums etc so you get to know some of the court cases that would apply to your circumstance.

 

Also read all of thecases in the PATAS case precedent files, the law regarding their decisions impinges upon private parking as the parking co's have to show that they follow a code of practice and where there is a precedent they shoul also use that. They often dont, especially IPC members because they are told by their offices that theynhave superpowers and the law of the land doesnt apply to their members. That is why they are more likely to go to court and get a good hiding for their trouble.

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While that reply is mostly meaningless, I will give them credit for actually replying to the issues that you raised and not just sending a generic response.

 

Appealing to the IAS isn't really worth a stamp, but on the other hand, it would show a court (if it get's that far (and with the IPC and Gladrags involved, it probably will)) that you've tried to engage with them and told them that they had/have no cause of action.

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In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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appealing to the parking co will be enough to show that you havent just ignored them and made your points that they havent answered, or to be fairer to them, answered but still completely wrong in lawa nd hoping that you are convinced that they are right in their assertions.

 

They cant have an agreement with the landowner because that is YOU.

 

Dont bother appealing to the IAS, you have your papetr trail.

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