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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Not that its new ....its called Group Litigation in the UK and is covered by CPR Practice Direction 19b

 

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https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/rcj-rolls-building/queens-bench/group-litigation-orders

 

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QUESTION!Can the defendant decide to counter claim and not inform me until I am with them in court? Is this allowed at all?

 

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I am going to court via MCOL small claims track.

 

Date is to be confirmed.

 

They refused the mediation service, I agreed to it.

 

I was wondering if the defendant could decide to counter sue on the day without prior notice.

 

I am not sure what other info you would want. Please tell me and I will provide any required information.

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" I was wondering if the defendant could decide to counter sue on the day without prior notice "

 

No they cant...they must submit their counter claim (PT 20 claim) with their defence....if they wish to submit a counter claim after the defence they must get the courts permission.

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hi all....update!

 

ive been given a court date.

 

the letter I got is telling me that I need to supply all of the documentation I intend to rely on to the defendant 21 days before the trial. is this right?

 

i'm sure someone said earlier in the thread that I should hold back info until the court date so that the defendant doesn't have time to prepare?

 

please advise

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Yes that's correct...as the court has directed it...if you fail to comply your claim can be struck out.

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Both claimant & defendant will have the same time frame to file & serve. You can delay sending yours until closer the time to see if you receive theirs first but will have to submit by the date given and raise it with the court if you haven't received theirs.

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hi all....update!

 

ive been given a court date.

 

the letter I got is telling me that I need to supply all of the documentation I intend to rely on to the defendant 21 days before the trial. is this right?

 

i'm sure someone said earlier in the thread that I should hold back info until the court date so that the defendant doesn't have time to prepare?

 

please advise

 

In English Court's there should be a cards on the table approach to litigation and not ambushing your opponent on the day of the trial with all of your evidence.

 

If you fail to submit your evidence in time the Court could either disallow it at the trial or strike out your claim completely.

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ok thanks for the response.

 

does this mean I have to provide every single bit of my response to his defence though?

I have provided all of the evidence already.

 

its just that he has provided some additional defence recently and I have not responded to him directly,

I sent the docs to the court though.

 

the actual evidence remains the same.

actually there is one bit of additional evidence which is the written testimony of someone else that has an issue with his work. that's it, nothing else.would I have to provide this?

 

help please?

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actually there is one bit of additional evidence which is the written testimony of someone else that has an issue with his work. that's it, nothing else.would I have to provide this?

 

If this is in the form of a witness statement, the court are not obliged to accept it unless the person concerned is prepared to attend the hearing.

 

Regarding the evidence, if you have already submitted all the documents you need to prove your case (and disprove the defence) then you need do nothing more. You will however need to prepare your witness statement and submit copies to the court and the defendant before the date on the order. This should be numbered paragraphs setting out in a logical order all the events leading up to the incident giving rise to the claim and detailing exactly what you are claiming for and why, where necessary making reference to supporting evidence, which should also be clearly labelled and identified. For example, you might say 'On x date, the defendant gave an estimate (exhibit A) stating that ...'. Stick strictly to facts which you are able to prove and keep it as concise as you can whilst covering all the issues - i.e. don't go off on any tangents ranting about cowboy mechanics etc. I would recommend doing this well in advance - it will take much longer than you think and it's a good idea to leave a few days for 'tweaking' and plenty of time for postage. You must send a copy to the defendant as well as the court.

 

Apart from making it really easy for the judge to see exactly what your case is, this is also your opportunity to make sure you have provided and explained all the evidence - if you're left with a bit of paper at the end that isn't mentioned in your witness statement then either you need to mention it or it's not relevant. Even if you've already submitted all your evidence, I would prepare at least three copies of your statement and the evidence, all properly labelled, and ideally with an index so that you can easily find, for example, the invoice dated 5th August. Keep one for yourself and highlight the most important points - a judge will sometimes only give you 5 minutes to summarise your case. Send one to the court in plenty of time, but be prepared for it not to make it all the way to the judge and have a spare, just in case. If you have genuinely already submitted all the evidence to the defendant, it's up to you if you want to send him just the witness statement or the whole bundle, but again it's good practice to have a spare copy to present to him/her at the hearing if only so that they can easily follow your case/find relevant documents. There's nothing more irritating to judges than having to fumble through 100 bits of paper to find the right one or watch someone else doing it. It may seem like a lot of work but anything you do to make life easier for the judge is worth the effort.

 

Bottom line is that the 'fail to prepare, prepare to fail' adage goes double for a court hearing no matter how informal small claims is supposed to be. At worst, you'll have thoroughly familiarised yourself with your case, at best you will be so obviously well prepared that the defendant doesn't bother turning up - but don't hold your breath! Good luck.

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How did you submit your evidence needadvice1 ...considering we have only just got to Standard Disclosure stage ?

 

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Thanks for the responses.

 

I have submitted my evidence via my response to his defence. I basically wrote a massive documents refuting all his points with evidence where possible. I sent this to the courts and the defendant has it too.

 

In terms of this additional witness statements. It's in the form or personal messages on an online forum that I've printed off. Do I need to send this to the defendant ?

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the online forum I refer to is similar to the one we are on now.

so, if I were to send you a private message on this forum and you were to respond.

 

 

the record of that would be stored as private messages in your inbox

and you could print these off.does that make sense?

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The messages can be used as evidence provided you attach them to your properly formatted witness statement...which you will sign a statement of truth on...that will become your evidence.

The witness statement and all documents relied on will be your standard disclosure.

 

Anything that you have already attached to the defence response and sent wherever means nothing...

 

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Ok Andy. Please can you clarify a couple of things. What is a "standard disclosure", how do I know the proper format for a witness statement is?

 

Why does my response to the defence mean nothing? I don't understand. I made many many valid points in there that disprove the defendants claims.

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Your response means something...the evidence you attached means nothing because its not the appropriate stage of proceedings to attach evidence...standard disclosure is.

 

Standard disclosure is when you provide all the evidence you wish to rely on and have referred to in either your particulars of claim or witness statement...the courts advise within your Notice of Allocation when this stage happens along with exchanging witness statements and disclosure.

 

You will find an example of a Witness Statement at post #106 in the following thread.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?370562-Drydensfairfax-taking-me-to-court-on-behalf-of-honours-student-loans/page6

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I think I understand what your saying.

 

the latest is that ive been given a court date and been advised to submit all docs I am relying on in court.

is this not the point at which i'm supposed to supply my evidence etc?

 

to me,

the response I wrote to the defendant contains most of my evidence,

 

I would just resubmit this and call it my standard disclosure/particulars together?

 

I am not sure why it would be useful to anyone to separate the two?

 

I haven't seen anything from the court mentioning the words "standard disclosure" FYI.

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The process is......

 

You submit claim....

They submit defence.....

You inform the court you wish to proceed.

The court sends out Directions Questionnaire (N180) to both parties.

You file DQ and the court sends out Notice of Allocation.

Claim is transferred to local county court

 

The Notice of Allocation contains the Courts directions that both parties must comply with in preparing for trial..the directions are usually you pay an hearing fee and and both parties prepare their standard disclosure/ evidence and witness statements and the dates on which it must happen.

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all of that has already happened.

The latest thing was a letter saying "x is your court date and make sure you send all of the docs you want to rely on in court to the defendant and the court beforehand plus pay the fee by a certain date"

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