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    • hi all, i will list my curmcumstance first then list the details of the penalty charge - we are 2 diabled people being affected by the cost of living crisis and are skint etc. i am disabled with mobility issues(arthritis in knees and ankles and gout) and cant operate car pedals anymore so i let a friend up the road use my car in exchange for her driving me about. its a good arrangement as i get a 'chauffer' and she gets the use of car. the car is parked in her drive which is better as i was refused a disabled space (even on appeal) and too much congestion to park the car outside my house. my friend is vulnerable as she has suffered depression and suicidal thoughts since the loss of her mother a few years back, she is dyslexic, she is a carer for one of her sons that is disabled due to mental illness and mobility. she lives in a council house and cannot work. we went to iceland ..attracted by the 10items for £10 offer - we've never been there before. a large artic lorry was parked accross the car park blocking the view of one of the parking signs and blocking the disabled bays where the pay&display machine is. by the time she helped me out of the car and then went to see if it was pay&display then came back to me at the car she said she thinks it was pay even for disabled, so we looked for change in the car which we didnt have (she normally goes asda which dont need to pay for parking)so then we said we'd either go get change or go to asda...so then by the time it took her to help me back in and get out the car park took 15 minutes...5 minutes overstay past the 10minutes grace. the letter from excel parking came through and i sent it back giving her name as driver (before i saw on here that you shouldnt name the driver) then i appealed explaining what happened (lorry blocking etc) and even said we were being descriminated (advised by citizen advice)as we are disabled and 15minutes is not long enough for a crippled disabled man and a woman with dyslexia to read and understandd the sign and get out, then back in the car and look for change then get out the car park in 15minutes. i even explained she was a vulnerable person on anti-depressants and even sent a photo of medication and said if you need a doctors note then let me know....the appeal was rejected. i've emailed iceland over 50 times and they just wont tell excel to cancel this charge - they are ignorant and ive even asked them why they have a webpage saying 'iceland combatting the cost of living crisis' pretending to help their customers and they wont comment...they'd rather put more stress and anxiety on an already suicidal vulnerable person just to get money out of them..so their 'help' during this crisis is a lie as it wont even extend to disabled customers. she has now received 2 letters from DCBL saying she owes £170 for 5minutes of overstay. the last one is a final demand. as she cant read or write very well ive sent a recorded letter to DCBL (as advised by citizen advice) asking not to attend the property due to a vulnerable woman inside the property as it will only exasperate the situation, they have ignored it and basically said we dont care, you still owe. could anyone please advise - we are not very good with letters or these situations and are slow on the uptake.   1 The date of infringement? 28th dec 2023   2 Have you yet appealed to the parking company yet? [Y/N?] yes   If you have then please post up whatever you sent and how you sent it and the date you sent it, suitably redacted. [as a PDF- follow the upload guide]cant do that - will have to get my son to do it when he visits   Has there been a response? yes   Please AS A PDF FILE  ONLY ..post it up as well, suitably redacted. - follow the upload guide]cant do that - will have to get my son to do it when he visits   If you haven't appealed yet - .........DONT ! seek advice on your topic first.   Have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK) [must be received by you between 29-56 days] yes   What date is on it? 15th january 2024   Did the NTK provide photographic evidence? yes   [scan up BOTHSIDES to ONE PDF of the PCN and your NTK - follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'scant do that - will have to get my son to do it when he visits   3 Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) [Y/N?] not on the front - maybe on the back but cannot find the letter now   4 If you appealed after receiving the NTK, did the parking company give you any information regarding the further appeals process? [it is well known that parking companies will reject any appeal whatever the circumstances] yes   5 Who is the parking company? excel   6. Where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park? gravesend in iceland    
    • Hi Dave, I had no updates on this PCN since my last post in July 2019.  I received no further communications from the parking company.  I changed my address in May 2022. Thanks, I will send a letter to Excel parking to inform about the change in the address. 
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    • I've seen on your other thread that you say you moved in 2022. It is essential you tell the parking company about your new address. Every couple of months or so we get someone here who moves, doesn't tell the other party they're in dispute with, court papers turn up at the old address, the Cagger doesn't know anything about this and doesn't defend, they lose by default - and end up with a backdoor CCJ. So get a quick letter off to Excel - Dear Simple Simon, Re: PCN no.XXXXX will you please note that I no longer live at XXXXX and that my new address is XXXXX. Yours, XXXXX Invest in a 2nd class stamp and get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office.
    • Yeah thanks guys - I'm just going to ignore them now.  Can't be ar$ed digging around in the loft!  Can I still send them a notice not to send people to our door?   I know we did 10 years ago but not sure if that's still a "thing"!
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Possible Form K restriction on property. Do I just need the title register?


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Hi,

Just a quick question people...

I've got my house on the market and suspect that there may be a form K restriction on it.

Do I just need to order a copy of the title register to find this out?

Many thanks.

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Yes the title deeds, having obtained the Official Copies of your title, further documents are referred to as copy filed, these will generally also be available at a cost of £3. The filed documents will often contain matters affecting the property including restrictive covenants.

 In addition to these filed documents, restrictive covenants may be referred to in the Charges Register of the Official Copies.


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So...

Just to be sure...

From the wording, is this a Form K restriction please?

 

RESTRICTION: No disposition of the registered estate by the proprietor of the registered estate , or by the proprietor of any registered charge, not being a charge registered before the entry of this restriction, is to be registered without a written consent signed by XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

 

I understand that a Form K restriction is NOT a charge and should just disappear when selling the property, as long as the conveyancer knows what they're doing?

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That's not a Form K because a Form K only requires the charge holder to be notified. The wording you quote requires the charge holder's consent. So a consent certificate would be required before you could sell.

It will be one of the other standard form restrictions. They are all listed on the link below. Form N possibly?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notices-restrictions-and-the-protection-of-third-party-interests-in-the-register/practice-guide-19-notices-restrictions-and-the-protection-of-third-party-interests-in-the-register#appendix-b

BTW Form K is a Charging Order even though it only requires notification but that's not what you've got here.

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readme^^

if you are the sole owner of the property then no dice sadly its gotta be paid.

if there are joint owners ...it simple means that no-one else can register another one without the previous ones written consent.

still an Restriction k mind

all down to if you are the sole owner of the property on your deeds.

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Thanks very much for the answers.

Yes, the wording really says it all.

Written consent (by a solicitor actually) has to be given for a sale to take place.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Oh, well.

I just hope the Solicitor involved, acts more professionally than they did when the original legal shenanigans were going on.

 

 

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are you the sole owner of the property?
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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Do you know what the restriction applied is in connection to ? Type of debt ? Sole debt or joint ?

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No disposition of the registered estate by the proprietor of the registered estate , or by the proprietor of any registered charge, not being a charge registered before the entry of this restriction, is to be registered without a written consent

This is a Form P restriction. This prevents a disposition without the consent of the 'chargee' (creditor) where there is a charge on the property (the property has been registered as security on a loan or mortgage). This will not apply if the mortgage is being repaid on completion of the transfer at hand - the restriction will be removed with the charge.

 

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Hi Andy and thanks for your input.

Nothing to do with debt as such.

Long story, but it was a messy family legal wrangle.

As part of a settlement, there's an agreement for money to go into a trust for our children, to be given to them on 30th birthday. (2029 and 2030).

This restriction is presumably intended to prevent us from selling up and doing a runner with our children's money... As if!

We'd rather hold onto the money until it's needed rather than put it into the hands of trustees, but if we've no choice, then so be it.

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Ah there you go hence the form P Restriction.

 

 

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that sorted that out with one simple question...:lol:

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

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