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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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I've unexpectedly received in the post yesterday correspondence from this company

which appears to be saying they are going to take me to court.

 

This relates to a PCN dating from Feb 2011 which claims I parked in a Co-op car park for 3 hours and 16 minutes.

 

 

As it happens, I know for a fact that I did NOT park in the car park for that amount of time

- what actually happened is that I popped to the Co-op at around 6:30pm

and then later on in the evening my husband popped out to the Co-op in my car.

 

 

The car was not in the car park for the time stated as my husband

and I were home giving the kids a bath and putting them to bed at 7pm!!

 

when I received the initial PCN I followed the advice at the time on here which recommended not responding.

I received the usual progression of 5 or 6 increasingly threatening letters and that was it.

I think once or twice in the intervening years I've had a threatogram from a new DCA and continued to ignore.

 

Now however the debt has obviously been sold to this new company

and the wording of their letter seems to suggest that they intend to take me to court over it.

 

 

I'm not entirely sure if they actually do plan to take me to court

(the letter included draft Particulars of Claim and states they intend to lodge this at Northampton County Court on 24/09/14)

or are just wording their letter to make it seem like they will so as to scare me into paying.

 

I'm actually quite okay with them taking me to court cos I know for a fact that they can't prove my car was there for the length of time

they state because I know for a fact that it wasn't.

 

 

They may have scanned my licence plate as being present in the car park at two separate times that evening

but the doesn't prove my car was there continually between those two times.

 

what I'm wondering is... do I reply to this threatogram and tell them that I have no intention of paying

because my car was not parked for as long as they say it was and good luck proving otherwise in court?

 

 

Or do I wait and see if I receive court documents and then file my defence (this being that

a) my car wasn't parked for the duration they say it was,

b) they did not incur any loss or damage by reason of my car being parked there for as long as

they say it was and hence the £170 they want from my is clearly punitive and

c) just for the fun of it, they also can't prove that I was the driver of the car)?

 

Any thoughts or advice, oh wise CAG-ers? :D

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2011!!

 

 

they are having a laugh and can do NOTHING to you!!

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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And if they try, you can have some fun with them :)

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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Hi there,

 

 

 

We have received an identical notice to that above relating to an alleged incident 9/3/11.

 

They state (as per every other thread I have read)

that they are drafting a particulars of claim which they hope to lodge at Northampton Crown Court on 24/9/14.

 

It is the last in a long line of letters which we have put to the side and ignored.

 

Can I just ask why the advice is being given that nothing can actually be done by Debt Enforcement & Action Limited?

 

is it due to time elapsed or some other reason?

 

Reason for asking is that this relates to my daughters car and we would rather her not have any bad history

due to me being stubborn and refusing to pay a fine for a non proven act.

 

Thanks very much.

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They dont own the debt and they arent solicitors.

 

 

They can't do anything apart from threaten.

 

 

If they are stupid enough to go near court then you can have fun.

 

 

Even a simple gpeol defence will defeat them. Every time.

 

They know this which is why they prefer to harass you to breaking point.

 

 

Going to court and losing costs them a lot.

 

 

Harassing someone into paying takes a couple of quid in stamps.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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as to all of the others recipients of these threats,

 

 

copy the letter and fake claim to the Ministry of Justice

c/o the court manager at Northampton county court

with a complaint that this is coercion and an offenec under the Administration of Justice Act 1970 Part V s40(d)

and also false representation under the Theft Act.

 

 

contact Actionfraud and make the same complaint.

 

 

The City Of London police are aware of this but if they get shed loads of complaints via actionfraud they will be more likely to act.

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NOT A FINE

 

 

nowhere do they use that word

 

 

read the letter CAREFULLY.

 

 

they don't say WILL anywhere either

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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mmmbeee user-offline.png

 

 

NOT A FINE

 

 

nowhere do they use that word

 

 

read the letter CAREFULLY.

 

 

they don't say WILL anywhere either

 

 

dx

 

I remember from the letters many months (& years now!) ago about them saying "may" all the time in letters but this outfit are using "intend" for the same purpose it appears :-)

 

It does look like they are blowing the dust off the old ones and having another go at getting something out of us.

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They will not claim in court because the threatened claim sum is £130 and the origianl breach of contract amount was £100 and only 83.5% of the debt was assigned to this commpany so they are telling lies for starters. bring that to the court's attention and they might not only get an ear bashing but they could get their collar felt for a third offence (other 2 outlined above)

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And if they do issue a claim, it is VERY easily defended.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

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You won't. ......

They've "Bob Hope no hope" of winning that.

 

Just some "clowns" hoping you've got less brain than they have...

Which is kind of hard as they are at a starting point of zero !!!!

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