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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Well.....I am baffled......... as I posted last week, my daughter had emailed atos, asking for the appointment to be emailed etc, she attached scanned documents (which had been sent with esa50), which were the letters of diagnoses and the tribunal decision letter from before etc, requested that the write to GP etc etc, she stated we would need a taxi on the day due to my anxiety and repeated the request for recording etc, and the reply was that which I put on here in post 61.........she replied thanking them for being prepared to check for us every two weeks etc, and asked if they could confirm the attachments she sent had reached the appropriate person, they replied to say they had been forwarded to the assessment team, now whether they were not looked at with the esa50 or what I have no way of knowing.

 

So today I get a letter from atos saying that a health professional has looked at it again, in the light of "further evidence", and now decided that I no longer need to be assessed at this time and my file has been returned to the DWP..............? waiting now to see what happens next.

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:Hiya Ruby_Tuesday:

 

:thumb: This is good news for you. We can't know if it's the best news cos we don't know (and I'm defo not asking) whether Jobcentreplus will award the support component if you believe you're entitled to it. But it means Tatos have recommended at least limited capability for work cos you can't be found fit for work without a face to face Tatos trial.

 

The 'further evidence' is almost certainly the second copies of the medical evidence that your daughter sent to them. As to what they do with original copies sent with an ESA50:?::?: In your case it may even be that a second lot sent via electronic mail was harder to 'lose'. Shall add that tip to my mental list of tactics. Thanx and well done to :Ruby_Tuesday:'s daughter. :biggrin:

 

Suspect there's been lots of times during the last few months when you've wondered whether the pro-active approach is worth the effort. Seems a lot of faff and stress at the time, specially as it shouldn't be necessary. And we couldn't have predicted this somewhat sideways outcome. But I think we can predict that without the constant enquiries you'd have waited many months for a high chance of fit for work, for lack of medical evidence!

 

In case you're wondering, your situation's different to mine. You know that some evidence was sent to Tatos and they've returned your file to Jobcentreplus. There wasn't any extra evidence or information when my file was recalled by an exasperated decision maker.

 

You should be able to :sleep: easier now.

 

Sincerely, Margaret.

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Thankyou Margaret....yes indeed thankyou to my daughter.

 

I admit I am just grateful this much has happened, my family and GP think the support group is where I should be but its obviously not their call. I have read about others experiences with WRAG, but am not going to assume the worst or best of it, whatever comes I will just have to handle the best I can, am so thankful I have my daughter who will come to any possible future appointments, I understand that as she is my carer she is allowed to, she would need to be there as my anxiety and fibro fog do seriously affect my understanding of whats being said and my ability to remember it correctly, although I would be able to re-read any written record I wouldn't recall if I actually agreed or suggested it, and in my vulnerable state can be swayed to agree or seem to agree with anything, my daughter is my rock with this.

 

All in all I am grateful not to be waiting for assessment and the jsa route which I was convinced was on the cards, I wouldn't have coped well with it all. If I get in WRAG I think I will just have to go with it as I don't think it would be good either to be waiting for reconsideration with no money, and the whole tribunal scenario. My hand would have been forced if it had gone down the jsa route, but now things have changed somewhat. Just going to relax and wait to see what happens.

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Ohhh I don't know anything about ESA to be fair RMW and your probably right, my claim has been for incapacity benefit and this recent ESA50 millarkey is to do with the change from that benefit to ESA, I will take a look at the regs etc. Thankyou.

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Thankyou RAE.

 

Yes RMW you are right, its only those found fit for work that cannot claim any benefit whilst appealing, so if I get put in WRAG I can still claim while appealing for support group, the WFI would be very difficult and I don't see really how any of that would work. Just relieved for what I have now and taking a breath.

 

The letter from atos says that I do not need to be reassessed at this time.......so will see what dwp decide. No doubt I will hear from them soon.

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So a week on and no word yet from DWP.....don't feel its good to contact them, maybe just wait? I expect that although atos said the file had been returned to DWP that this in itself will take a few weeks before they get round to deciding what to do with me?

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I hadn't wanted to ring the dwp and wasn't sure what to do, daughter said to leave it another week or two then she would be with me to ring dwp so I could let them speak to her and explain what the current situation was etc.........but today thankfully my wait was over with a letter from dwp and they have placed me in the support group, it doesn't say how long for but at least its not wrag as having seen the changes made to that group I wouldn't cope with it, GP and family shook their heads at the mere suggestion of it so I am glad I don't have to appeal etc.

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Well done.

 

You could also write and ask for a copy of the ESA85A (I think that's the right form number if there's not been a face to face assessment) as that will also say how long ATOS are recommending.

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I haven't contacted them yet, but reading the letter I am on IR ESA Support group. My benefit rate has risen due to an extra payment called disability income guarantee that I wasn't getting on incapacity benefit, and the limited capability for work addition is £34.80 which is £4.80 more than the topup I had when on incapacity benefit.

 

Does this extra amount affect my housing benefit/council tax benefit at all?

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Ok so I grabbed the bull by the horns so to speak and rang them just now. They are giving me 2yrs grace before the next esa form, their decision was backdated to the 9th January so they have said on 9th January 2016 is when I will be contacted again.

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:Ruby_Tuesday:

 

:frown: That you've limited capability for work related activity but :thumb: that DWATO have recognised it and awarded you employment n support with the support component.

 

The £34.80 is the support component that's added to your personal allowance of £71.70. You won't have any 'top ups' as such cos your applicable amount (what Government says you need to live on) of employment n support is higher than your applicable amount of incapacity + income support.

 

'disability income guarantee' is a legacy generic term for supposedly ensuring a minimum income for disability. (And I wish Jobcentreplus would up date their letters.) You'll be more familiar with the term 'enhanced disability premium' for which the 'passport' is your support component.

 

The higher rates won't affect housing benefit/council tax reduction cos Government's decided you need more to live on.

 

It is an ESA85A and I'd suggest you write to your benefit delivery centre for a copy. Never know when it might come in useful. :-)

 

Think that's it, and I'm really pleased that you got the right result for you.

 

Margaret. :bounce:

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:Ruby_Tuesday:

 

:frown: That you've limited capability for work related activity but :thumb: that DWATO have recognised it and awarded you employment n support with the support component.

 

The £34.80 is the support component that's added to your personal allowance of £71.70. You won't have any 'top ups' as such cos your applicable amount (what Government says you need to live on) of employment n support is higher than your applicable amount of incapacity + income support.

 

'disability income guarantee' is a legacy generic term for supposedly ensuring a minimum income for disability. (And I wish Jobcentreplus would up date their letters.) You'll be more familiar with the term 'enhanced disability premium' for which the 'passport' is your support component.

 

The higher rates won't affect housing benefit/council tax reduction cos Government's decided you need more to live on.

 

It is an ESA85A and I'd suggest you write to your benefit delivery centre for a copy. Never know when it might come in useful. :-)

 

Think that's it, and I'm really pleased that you got the right result for you.

 

Margaret. :bounce:

 

Is this premium excluded if you are DLA (lower rate) and ESA please?

 

I used to get it with JSA though?

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Is this premium excluded if you are DLA (lower rate) and ESA please?

 

I used to get it with JSA though?

 

It's not excluded.

 

Ruby - you still need to inform housing benefit and council tax. Because your ESA (or part, rather) is income based, you'll get full housing and council tax support.

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It's not excluded.

 

Ruby - you still need to inform housing benefit and council tax. Because your ESA (or part, rather) is income based, you'll get full housing and council tax support.

 

I have got two conflicting reports. I am not receiving this premium when I used to on JSA. Any references so I can take it up with the DWP please?

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:Premiums:

 

The low and medium rate care components of disability living allowance neither confer nor exclude entitlement to an enhanced disability premium with either employment n support or jobseekers. A high rate care component 'passports' to the premium with an income flavoured award.

 

An enhanced disability premium may be payable with jobseekers allowance if the claimant's partner has limited capability work related activity as determined by a work capability assessment.

 

Margaret.

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Perseus, I think you should start your own thread with your queries. As your question doesnt appear to relate to Ruby Tuesday's it might become confusing.

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the dwp baffle me, I am not alone on that I know lol..........so they give me extra to live on but the council tax I pay may go up? bit daft then saying I need more to live on when its not all mine....

 

when I rang dwp yesterday, I said that the letter states I will be transferred to esa from 8th February, but I now recall him saying its been backdated to 9th jan, presumably when atos sent the file back to dwp as atos wrote to me on 9th jan, the dwp wrote on 22nd to say esa from 8th February. so my next contact is due from 9th jan 201 to check if they still think I can have this benefit. I was paid as usual on 7th feb at old rate incapacity and understood that the new rate esa will be paid on due date 21st feb. will this include any extra from the 9th jan?

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well I have emailed the councils benefit office and told them of the change of benefit and payment etc so will see what they say. am just grateful am in support group and not worse off.

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:Ruby_Tuesday:

 

Under the rules for employment n support your applicable amount (what Government says you need to live on) is more than for incapacity/income support so the higher rate of employment n support won't reduce your entitlement to housing benefit/council tax reduction.

 

Both employment n support and incapacity are paid in arrears at the end of every two week period.

 

7 February - incapacity/income support for previous two weeks.

21 February - employment n support (starting 8 February) for previous two weeks.

 

Don't think you'll get any backdating to 9 January. Most decisions are effective from the date when the decision maker makes the decision, but the start dates for conversion decisions are usually aligned to payment cycles which depend on national insurance numbers.

 

Best wishes, Margaret.

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Thankyou Margaret I hadn't understood that. Am so grateful to be in this position. And thankyou as always for your input. At least I know I have informed them and what to expect. I have written for the esa85a, and now will enjoy the peace for a while lol x

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