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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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2 year work programme! Whaaaaa? When i did it, it was for 3 months in scope. How long do you have to be on job seekers for before this happens? 2 years take the ****!

 

I think if I remember right under 25s 3/6mths on JSA then they go on 2yr programme over 25, 12mths on JSA then they go on programme.

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I think if I remember right under 25s 3/6mths on JSA then they go on 2yr programme over 25, 12mths on JSA then they go on programme.

 

Unless it's changed, it was 9 months for under 25s when I was sent on the work programme. (September 2011)

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well - that was that!

 

I went to my exit review, along with 20 to 25 other people ,my provider had failed to find work for during the 2 years on the scheme.

 

there where 3 members of staff trying to get us to sign up to yet another scheme, 'to identify our current opportunities, weaknesses and problems, in order to come up with a programme to combat them'. I asked them if that was what the Workfare scheme should have done in the past 2 years, to which they ummed and arred.

 

Hijacking the meeting, I said I was not interested, and if the sales pitch was it, could I leave, as I was under the impression it was an exit review. one of the staff checked with the office, and said that all we had to do for the exit review was put our names, date of birth, phone numbers and email addresses on an individual piece of paper, and we could leave.... I and around 15 others who had brought our own pens did, and left after claiming out travel expenses.

 

So! my exit review was not a review, it was a sales pitch for them to get you to sign up to yet another 12 month 'free' course, funded by the councils, which duplicated what they should have done on the work programme... apart from providing them with job seeker activities.

 

the sales people, and those in the office had no idea what is after the work programme. a couple of other participants said it was a 1 to 1 under a DWP advisor, instead of the 20 second normal signing activity, every 2 weeks, but I wait with baited breath..

 

anything cannot be as bad as the work programme, as even if I start it again, I know more now than I did in the beginning, so can stand up for my rights...

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well - that was that!

 

I went to my exit review, along with 20 to 25 other people ,my provider had failed to find work for during the 2 years on the scheme.

 

there where 3 members of staff trying to get us to sign up to yet another scheme, 'to identify our current opportunities, weaknesses and problems, in order to come up with a programme to combat them'. I asked them if that was what the Workfare scheme should have done in the past 2 years, to which they ummed and arred.

 

Hijacking the meeting, I said I was not interested, and if the sales pitch was it, could I leave, as I was under the impression it was an exit review. one of the staff checked with the office, and said that all we had to do for the exit review was put our names, date of birth, phone numbers and email addresses on an individual piece of paper, and we could leave.... I and around 15 others who had brought our own pens did, and left after claiming out travel expenses.

 

So! my exit review was not a review, it was a sales pitch for them to get you to sign up to yet another 12 month 'free' course, funded by the councils, which duplicated what they should have done on the work programme... apart from providing them with job seeker activities.

 

the sales people, and those in the office had no idea what is after the work programme. a couple of other participants said it was a 1 to 1 under a DWP advisor, instead of the 20 second normal signing activity, every 2 weeks, but I wait with baited breath..

 

anything cannot be as bad as the work programme, as even if I start it again, I know more now than I did in the beginning, so can stand up for my rights...

 

Hi Cubert,

 

The chap I used to see for the signing at the JCP changed he was great, the new chap I've had for the last three signings grills me and goes through my jobsearch will a fine toothed comb. My signing I wish was less than a minute-it's now 10 mins minimum! Due to finish WP 4th July.

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well - that was that!

 

I went to my exit review, along with 20 to 25 other people ,my provider had failed to find work for during the 2 years on the scheme.

 

there where 3 members of staff trying to get us to sign up to yet another scheme, 'to identify our current opportunities, weaknesses and problems, in order to come up with a programme to combat them'. I asked them if that was what the Workfare scheme should have done in the past 2 years, to which they ummed and arred.

 

Hijacking the meeting, I said I was not interested, and if the sales pitch was it, could I leave, as I was under the impression it was an exit review. one of the staff checked with the office, and said that all we had to do for the exit review was put our names, date of birth, phone numbers and email addresses on an individual piece of paper, and we could leave.... I and around 15 others who had brought our own pens did, and left after claiming out travel expenses.

 

So! my exit review was not a review, it was a sales pitch for them to get you to sign up to yet another 12 month 'free' course, funded by the councils, which duplicated what they should have done on the work programme... apart from providing them with job seeker activities.

 

the sales people, and those in the office had no idea what is after the work programme. a couple of other participants said it was a 1 to 1 under a DWP advisor, instead of the 20 second normal signing activity, every 2 weeks, but I wait with baited breath..

 

anything cannot be as bad as the work programme, as even if I start it again, I know more now than I did in the beginning, so can stand up for my rights...

Perhaps you should have signed the Welfare To Work Clerks onto a programme to address their own deficiencies, particularly their evidential failure to develop contact within Employer Networks, and to exploit those contacts to arrange face to face interviews with candidates, rather than indulge the misguided belief that the candidate was at fault.

 

However, I am surprised that any candidate in attendance would indulge any request for personal details (name, date of birth, phone number, email address) given that the drone would already have access to this information.

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I am surprised that any candidate in attendance would indulge any request for personal details (name, date of birth, phone number, email address) given that the drone would already have access to this information.

 

I did think about it, but only gave my landline to their likes, as I do not give my mobile out to anyone, apart from friends. I have call recognition, so can ignore them, and even put then in my spam pile.

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I did think about it, but only gave my landline to their likes, as I do not give my mobile out to anyone, apart from friends. I have call recognition, so can ignore them, and even put then in my spam pile.

 

I dont give my mobile number out to anyone at job centre or Ingeus i told them when they asked. i couldnt afford to run a mobile :wink:

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I dont give my mobile number out to anyone at job centre or Ingeus i told them when they asked. i couldnt afford to run a mobile :wink:

 

Yeah,

 

I told them to change my mobile cause I couldn't afford it any more (lie) to my landline so I don't have voicemails telling me to attend crapp.... they can send me a letter.

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Perhaps you should have signed the Welfare To Work Clerks onto a programme to address their own deficiencies

 

On one visit, got handed a list of "courses" run by the provider - Basic CV writing, rudimentary maths, and top of the list, a four week course on basic english grammar and spelling... Handed that one back to the "adviser" and suggested that he, and some of his colleagues would benefit more from that particular "course".

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As far as the DWP are concerned, I tell them (on the jobs log book / form) every time I receive an automated job search email, and if I apply for a job from it or not... it is still a job search activity, even if there is a negative result.

 

I receive 6 automated messages a day, but check them every 2 to 3 days. it means that, without trying ( or getting out of bed) , I do at least 72 job search actions per 2 week period. I am obligated to do 3 per week, but I expect that will change when I do what ever is next.

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Yeah,

 

I told them to change my mobile cause I couldn't afford it any more (lie) to my landline so I don't have voicemails telling me to attend crapp.... they can send me a letter.

 

They have only ever had my landline number, i know several people who get pestered weekly on their mobile by the JC and ingeus etc.

 

When ever i go on a course or anything my mobile is in my pocket switched on silent.

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good luck to my provider on commenting on my time with them. - over my 2 years, my previous 3 'advisors' left the company, and were replaced. my latest a new employee, I met once - 4 weeks ago. he or they cancelled my last appointment with him, and did not let me know until I was there.

 

when I next sign at the DWP, I will make enquiries to see if I have really finished the WP, as my exit 'interview' was strange! (as mentioned above)!

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I think the providers and DWP may be about to encounter a few problems with their "exit report".

http://watchinga4e.blogspot.co.uk/

 

Yes, I'm sure it's one document neither the WP nor the DWP would like us to see! Make you you ALL get your copy of it..and also ask to see the DWP's copy too, to make sure they're identical.

 

Also - make sure you put your comments about the WP on the form too. If they haven't given space for this (and I bet they haven't) then attach a seperate sheet. I'm sure some people will just be glad it's all over and not bother to make any comments on the WP but it's very important that people do - that's the only way things will ever change.

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The nightmare begins after the 2 year WP is up.I've been told by someone that it will be a daily visit to DWP office, if they offer you a job and you refuse it you will be given a 3 month sanction.The daily visit to the dWP is compulsory because they said that if you were working you would be going to work daily. Yes and you'd be getting paid monthly and able to afford daily bus fares.

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well - that was that!

 

I went to my exit review, along with 20 to 25 other people ,my provider had failed to find work for during the 2 years on the scheme.

 

there where 3 members of staff trying to get us to sign up to yet another scheme, 'to identify our current opportunities, weaknesses and problems, in order to come up with a programme to combat them'. I asked them if that was what the Workfare scheme should have done in the past 2 years, to which they ummed and arred.

 

Hijacking the meeting, I said I was not interested, and if the sales pitch was it, could I leave, as I was under the impression it was an exit review. one of the staff checked with the office, and said that all we had to do for the exit review was put our names, date of birth, phone numbers and email addresses on an individual piece of paper, and we could leave.... I and around 15 others who had brought our own pens did, and left after claiming out travel expenses.

 

So! my exit review was not a review, it was a sales pitch for them to get you to sign up to yet another 12 month 'free' course, funded by the councils, which duplicated what they should have done on the work programme... apart from providing them with job seeker activities.

 

the sales people, and those in the office had no idea what is after the work programme. a couple of other participants said it was a 1 to 1 under a DWP advisor, instead of the 20 second normal signing activity, every 2 weeks, but I wait with baited breath..

 

anything cannot be as bad as the work programme, as even if I start it again, I know more now than I did in the beginning, so can stand up for my rights...

 

Hi Cubert,

 

The chap I used to see for the signing at the JCP changed he was great, the new chap I've had for the last three signings grills me and goes through my jobsearch will a fine toothed comb. My signing I wish was less than a minute-it's now 10 mins minimum! Due to finish WP 4th July.

 

 

It seems that things are about to get tougher for those leaving the two year WP.I've been told that those leaving the WP will be made to go to the DWP office on a daily basis and any job offer refused will result in 3 month sanctions.The reason we must go to the DWP on a daily basis is because if we were working we would be going to work daily.

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The nightmare begins after the 2 year WP is up.I've been told by someone that it will be a daily visit to DWP office, if they offer you a job and you refuse it you will be given a 3 month sanction.The daily visit to the dWP is compulsory because they said that if you were working you would be going to work daily. Yes and you'd be getting paid monthly and able to afford daily bus fares.

surely the bus fair will be refunded,if not thats another £20 of my pittance along with the council tax and bedroom tax,ill be left with £32 a week to live on.

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if they offer you a job and you refuse it you will be given a 3 month sanction.

Which job? I was never offered a job by the Yob Centre.

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The nightmare begins after the 2 year WP is up.I've been told by someone that it will be a daily visit to DWP office, if they offer you a job and you refuse it you will be given a 3 month sanction.The daily visit to the dWP is compulsory because they said that if you were working you would be going to work daily. Yes and you'd be getting paid monthly and able to afford daily bus fares.

According to a June 3 2013 press release

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-announces-details-of-post-work-programme-support

Work Programme leavers targeted by specialist advisers as part of a tough approach to get them into a job.

 

Work Programme leavers will be targeted by a hit squad of specialist advisers as part of a tough approach to get them into a job.

 

Up to 5 specialist advisers will be based in individual Jobcentres dedicated to working with people not in sustained work after 2 years on the Work Programme.

 

Claimants will be given an end-of-term report from their Work Programme provider assessing what progress they have made and their ongoing needs, to inform their new adviser before facing the toughest Jobcentre regime to help them find work. At their first appointment they will have to agree a binding back-to-work plan laying out what they are required to do.

 

Minister for Employment Mark Hoban said:

 

The Work Programme is getting some of the hardest to help claimants into work despite a tough economic climate.

 

We always knew that there would be some who would require further support after the Work Programme, which is why we’re introducing this intensive and uncompromising regime.

 

We’ll be stepping up the pressure on claimants, who will be expected to attend the Jobcentre more frequently, with rigorous monitoring to ensure they are doing everything they can to find work.

 

Claimants will be expected to be on a training scheme, Mandatory Work Activity placement or intensive work preparation within days of finishing on the Work Programme – losing their benefit if they fail to comply. An extra £30m will be available to pay for extra training and specialist help to prepare them for work, for instance counselling for people dependent on drug and alcohol.

 

Claimants will also have to attend the Jobcentre far more frequently than other jobseekers, with weekly signing on being routine and some people being required to meet their adviser every day.

 

The advisers, who will be focused on working with those returning from the Work Programme, will take a tough approach to monitoring whether claimants are sticking to their plan with anyone failing to participate losing their benefits.

 

The programme comes after Jobcentres involved in a trailblazer found that claimants targeted by an intensive approach were much less likely to stay on benefit.

 

Every Work Programme returner will also be required to register with Universal Jobmatch to aid work search and job matching. This will allow their adviser to check their work search activity online should the claimant give permission.

 

The tough sanctions regime will see anyone failing to comply with mandatory activity lose benefit for 4 weeks for a first failure, with penalties of up to 3 years for serial offenders.

 

The intensive support will last for 6 months, and will be used for all Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants returning from the Work Programme who need more intensive support.

 

 

If you are the only member of your Job Centre who is coming off the Work Programme, then you might be required to attend daily. However, depending on the volume of candidates, I suspect that attendance once every week would be reasonable.

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According to a June 3 2013 press release

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-announces-details-of-post-work-programme-support

 

 

If you are the only member of your Job Centre who is coming off the Work Programme, then you might be required to attend daily. However, depending on the volume of candidates, I suspect that attendance once every week would be reasonable.

Considering the failure rate last year then they would need to employ loads of people for the ones coming away from this failure of a scheme so I think it'll be either once a week or fortnightly

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I was told by my 8th advisor last week that when I finish I will be sent back to the JC and put on this mandatory work programme thing, but he said he didn't have all the details as they had just been told that day, Now I did voluntary work few years back and it was with a charity funded community centre as that is the only kind of place to can volunteer at, the whole time I was told off the JC to leave, now they want us all to work for free again, and where will all these charity funded places pop up from or will the rules change now and big companies will get free workers in to do the jobs that we all have been looking for in the last 2yrs on work programme that weren't available....drives me mad...hate Ingeus with a passion the place drags me into a depression every time I have to go there.

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I was told by my 8th advisor last week that when I finish I will be sent back to the JC and put on this mandatory work programme thing, but he said he didn't have all the details as they had just been told that day, Now I did voluntary work few years back and it was with a charity funded community centre as that is the only kind of place to can volunteer at, the whole time I was told off the JC to leave, now they want us all to work for free again, and where will all these charity funded places pop up from or will the rules change now and big companies will get free workers in to do the jobs that we all have been looking for in the last 2yrs on work programme that weren't available....drives me mad...hate Ingeus with a passion the place drags me into a depression every time I have to go there.

 

 

most people who attend the work program hate it me included, but they want you to hate it ,so you will do anything to get a job,only thing is there aint any,and they know it.

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most people who attend the work program hate it me included, but they want you to hate it ,so you will do anything to get a job,only thing is there aint any,and they know it.

 

I wouldn't mind if every week when I go there I was given by my advisor a list of live jobs in the area that I am looking for, at least then they are trying, but no my first 7 advisors hardly ever spoke to them they just made me do job searches on the slow PCs now i am on my 8th advisor, when I met him for the 1st time last week he was 15mins late and because I pulled him up on it he is making me do a CV drop into stores and to obtain contact numbers so he can check up on the CV drops and he wants me to travel to 3 or 4 areas which will take more than one day to achieve, which of course means bus fares which i just don't have as i am a single mum and don't have money to spare, was also told he was being nice to me and could if he wanted to double the amount of CVs he wanted done. I have applied for a couple of jobs today i just hope one of those comes through for me as this place is draining my personality...i used to be a happy lass ha.

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