Ingeus

[RealName]

Realname, you have every right to covertly record all meetings, and you can hand a transcript of the recording over, in say, an official complaint to the DWP, or in a court/tribunal. A Judge can also request to hear the actual recording. This is Legislation/Law, absolute rights that we hold.

This is interesting news to hear. I will definitely be covertly recording all meetings there from now on.

 

How much would a return train ticket to this job cost you every day?

The job isn't in a fixed location. Instead it is at various events throughout the country. I'm not sure if Scotland and Wales are included in this or whether places like the Channel Islands or Isle of Man are included, but I know for a fact that the Isle of Wight is as this was listed as one of the current known locations along with Leeds. Using Leeds to the Isle of Wight as an example we're talking £115 for the train ticket to Portsmouth and then an additional £15 for the hovercraft to the Isle of Wight. As it's a minimum wage job I'd need to work for 20 hours just to make that money back.

 

Anyone can make a Subject Access Request to any organisation that holds personal information on them under the Data Protection Act. You cannot be penalised for doing so, nor do you have to disclose your reasons for making such a request.

 

It's not so much wishing to see the personal information they hold. I simply wish to see one of the documents I signed so that I can see if it has been altered afterwards as I suspect they may have done so.

 

If you decide to do so' date=' it may be a good idea to send it via the post office 'signed for' service (you use the Royal Mail 'track & trace' facility online to see exactly when it was delivered and get a screenshot of the name & signature of the person who signed for it on delivery) to the head office who will pass it on to their Data Compliance office. The local office you attend will not have any notification you are doing so and try putting you on the spot with questions as to your intentions.[/quote']

I shall be doing this when I send my complaints of which I currently have five, possibly six if a document has been altered. To have so many in only three visits is disgusting.

 

ETA: The http://www.consent.me.uk/letter/ website has an excellent template letter you can use to withdraw any previously signed forms for consent to share data or contact any future employers to obtain outcome payments.

I made sure not to sign those forms. They weren't happy about it but they didn't threaten me to try and make me sign those two. On the first visit I only received a threat of benefit sanction for not wishing to fill out an optional questionnaire. I sent the other two letters from that site to have the work programme provider remove my personal data but so far they have not removed it.

 

I'll call their customer feedback number and ask if I can make an official complaint via letter to the address on their contact page, finding out which of the two companies I'm required to make my initial complaints to in the process.

[LongHairedLily]

got this in the post [ATTACH=CONFIG]35633[/ATTACH]

 

 

I received one on Thursday, Caroline told me on Wednesday when I attend my totally pointless Health and Safety course. So how long now before we are appointed another advisor who does nothing for us?

 

Ingeus told me before I attended scientiam I would be attending a course for 8-16 per week. They see me once every 3 weeks! Scientiam don't even have landline phones,, computers yes but only four!

[LongHairedLily]

Honda what did Caroline call you a liar over?

[debt4get]

next time anyone threatens you with sanctions....ask them nicely if they would put it in writing, and the reason....if these people are going to continue to threaten this then they must be made to back it up.......sort of put up or shut up

[down'n'out]

Ministers are also looking at rolling out a national trial under which the unemployed must work for up to six months for free to avoid their benefits being docked.

 

That makes me curious.

Was it not a condition for Work Provider to get someone into work for 6 months (or more) so they would get their bonus? So force more into slavery = more money for Work provider?

 

Do not forget, with new rules for WRAG, there is no current limit for time in work placement (government redefined not only what is, or is not an illness/incapacity, but also redefined that "work related activity" is also now a work placement).

[Slatted]

I think I have seen something on another thread about a poor man being sanctioned because, doing unpaid work experience all day and having no internet access in the evenings, he has not been able to keep up with his job searches!! So not only is he forced into unpaid work but not receiving even JSA. I am not sure if he has won his appeal but hope he is appealing (if he can find time to write and post it that is!).

 

If it wasnt so likely to be true it would be laughable....

[osdset]

Using Leeds to the Isle of Wight as an example we're talking £115 for the train ticket to Portsmouth and then an additional £15 for the hovercraft to the Isle of Wight. As it's a minimum wage job I'd need to work for 20 hours just to make that money back.

 

Use w2w's own rules against them, you cannot be forced to take a job where the travel costs are greater than the wage. Plus the DWP's own rules state that the maximum travel time to and from the workplace is 90 minutes each way, from what you have posted the position fails on both counts, refuse it.

[Ingeus DoLittle]

! Scientiam don't even have landline phones,, computers yes but only four!

 

 

So, what’s this Scientiam place like? I might be referred here in the next few weeks, or to the other place “Marshall House” or something like that.

Can you claim travel whilst your with Scientiam, or can you only claim travel from Ingeus? Also, can you still visit Ingeus for job searches etc…

[RealName]

Use w2w's own rules against them, you cannot be forced to take a job where the travel costs are greater than the wage. Plus the DWP's own rules state that the maximum travel time to and from the workplace is 90 minutes each way, from what you have posted the position fails on both counts, refuse it.

Yeah. I'm not going to apply for that job anyway. My action plan only required me to attend on Friday. It said nothing about actually applying for the job.

 

I just rang CDG and they said that I could complain via post and my complaints should be sent to them and not Maximus. Any idea on what information I have to provide in the letter of complaint? Is simply my name and address enough or should I provide my NI number as well?

 

Edit:

 

I've just finished writing my letter. If someone would be willing to read through it and let me know if I should make any adjustments that would be great. Thanks

Edited May 28, 2012 by RealName

[HONDA17]

help

Edited May 28, 2012 by HONDA17
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[debt4get]

is it me or does my eyesight need testing again....

[osdset]

??

[caledfwlch]

Honda, what was that link you were trying to post, its been modded I think, because whatever you tried to do, it was thousands and thousands of characters in some sort of incredibly long link address?

 

Do you need help on how to do links and so on>?

[Astro1]

Don't know if anyone's seen this about the work programme.

The Work Programme a year on – a revolution is under way

Rt Hon Chris Grayling

Minister for Employment

 

"We have more people needing long term unconditional support than expected. And those in the middle group, who would expect before too long to be mandated to the Work Programme, have proved to be sicker and further from the workplace than we expected."

 

It also looks like Chris Grayling must have been taking lessons from Prince Philip.

 

"One such an individual I met was Stephen Stubbs, a partially sighted man from Darlington in the North East. When we met in February he had sent hundreds of jobs applications but had had no success in making a connection with employers. He felt there was no one out there to help him and been without a job for 16 months. At that stage he had just made connection with his local provider and was beginning to see the difference they made."

 

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/ministers-speeches/2012/30-05-12.shtml

[down'n'out]

Don't know if anyone's seen this about the work programme.

The Work Programme a year on – a revolution is under way

Rt Hon Chris Grayling

Minister for Employment

 

 

I started to read it, but then felt the need for medication (I do not normally take medication)

 

Just a couple of points from what I did read:-

If you include everyone, including those in the hardest to help groups, the job entry rate is approximately 22%

If the figure is correct, still well under expectations/contracts is it not.

 

We don’t yet have reliable data about the number of people who are staying in jobs once they have started, and so are earning the first outcome and sustainment payments for providers, but it is already clear from feedback from the front line that a substantial majority are staying in work once they get there.

I bet there is no reliable data lol. I also wonder how many of the % of those placed in work, and those classed as still being in work are on MWA or "work experience".

 

I will try and read the rest later. But from what I have seen, it is just the same old spin. (tempted to type rude words then)

Edited May 31, 2012 by down'n'out

[debt4get]

Don't know if anyone's seen this about the work programme.

The Work Programme a year on – a revolution is under way

Rt Hon Chris Grayling

Minister for Employment

 

"We have more people needing long term unconditional support than expected. And those in the middle group, who would expect before too long to be mandated to the Work Programme, have proved to be sicker and further from the workplace than we expected."

 

It also looks like Chris Grayling must have been taking lessons from Prince Philip.

 

"One such an individual I met was Stephen Stubbs, a partially sighted man from Darlington in the North East. When we met in February he had sent hundreds of jobs applications but had had no success in making a connection with employers. He felt there was no one out there to help him and been without a job for 16 months. At that stage he had just made connection with his local provider and was beginning to see the difference they made."

 

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/ministers-speeches/2012/30-05-12.shtml

i would suggest to rt hon chris grayling that if the middle group are much sicker than they expected that ratos are therefore not doing their job correctly and placing people who should be in the support group into the wrag

[osdset]

Another excerpt from the speech

Now I want to make one thing absolutely clear.

There have been some unwelcome headlines over the welfare to work industry over the past few months and that’s not something any of us can shy away from.

But the issues that we all know about were not about the Work Programme. It belongs to the future and not the past.

He then shy's away from it by changing the subject.

[debt4get]

of course, you gloss over something that is unpalatable and the truth...and move on...the whole bloody system is 'not fit for purpose'....

[Slatted]

If they had really wanted to get those with chronic illness into some form of work then they needed to do more research and make it so that each could do what they could do, with hours that recognise that (certainly not full time), and employers would need to buy into the need for flexibility and the provision of things to aid them. More should be done to see if work could be done from home and support in making it easier for people to get to and from work...that is where the billions being paid to all the W2W companies should be going in my opinion.

 

Or perhaps more money could have gone into projects with NHS to allow more time to see and work with those whose conditions warrant this but where budget restraints mean they cannot be offered any assistance....

 

There are always going to be those who simply cannot work but others could contribute as and when able, without the pressure to do it when demanded, and with proper support....it is strange that the forms mention "bad days" but then take no notice of this when forcing work placements etc

[YorkyLad]

We have more people needing long term unconditional support than expected.

 

I would have sold my left knacker for 'unconditional' support!

 

The financial help following finding a job was conditional

 

I never got past what was really the 2nd appointment in the whole six months. Due to it been conditional that I provided my CV.

 

Everything was conditional!! What the hell is he talking about?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the providers refused to give post-employment help (as I understand they are supposed to offer) due to it been conditional that you told them who you were working for.

[down'n'out]

If they had really wanted to get those with chronic illness into some form of work then they needed to do more research and make it so that each could do what they could do,..................

 

For those in WRAG, there is "Work Choice", which is what all the spin was about, about helping those trying to get back into work. However, there are only 23,000 places per year for the country. So with the hundreds of thousands being forced onto WRAG, there is only very little chance of getting the support the government push forward as being there.

[debt4get]

i am sorry down n out but if you believe that....there is a small 3 foot alien knocking on my front door....asking take me to your leader....

[osdset]

Someones experience with Shaw Trust, a national charity which supports disabled and disadvantaged people to prepare for work, find jobs and live more independently. (supposedly) http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/welfare-to-work/2461-work-choice-and-other-such-programs

[down'n'out]

i am sorry down n out but if you believe that....there is a small 3 foot alien knocking on my front door....asking take me to your leader....

Not sure what you mean.

Do I believe there is such a setup, well, it is shown:- http://www.dwp.gov.uk/supplying-dwp/what-we-buy/welfare-to-work-services/specialist-disability-employment/

 

Do I believe it is being used, I do not know. But it would be mentioned somewhere if not being used.

 

Maybe you should check your front door?

[down'n'out]

Someones experience with Shaw Trust, a national charity which supports disabled and disadvantaged people to prepare for work, find jobs and live more independently. (supposedly) http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/welfare-to-work/2461-work-choice-and-other-such-programs

 

The post mentioning Shaw Trust, I do not think that will be "work choice" for WRAG. The post mentioned having to apply for jobs, but on WRAG that is still not needed(mandated), well, not as of yet anyway.