Ingeus

[curtseavers]

Universal Credit

a) As the Prime Contractor is aware, the Contracting Body is intendingto alter the benefit system such that Universal Credit will replace anumber of existing benefits. It is currently anticipated that thischange will be introduced from 2013 but the date is to be confirmedand may be such other date as the Contracting Body notifies inwriting to the Prime Contractor from time to time

 

They want Universal Credit to replace ALL benefits. and paid monthly.

 

Reducing Workless Households

The Contracting Body may at its sole discretion elect to extend the joint claim offer (second partner in a JSA joint claim referred alongwith the first partner who becomes eligible) to parents and their adultchildren in the same household.5.

Ministry of Justice top up for ex-offenders

Subject to political agreement, it is envisaged that the Ministry ofJustice may begin paying a top up to Work Programme providerswho help ex offenders. These ex-offenders will also be WorkProgramme customers and this payment is designed to helpproviders to put in place additional measures that will remove thebarriers to employment caused by repeated offending.

 

 

 

ANNEX 2MANDATORY WORK ACTIVITY PROGRAMMEALTERNATIVE AND/OR ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS1. Additional Definitions

:

“Allotted Time”

means four weeks from and including the datethe Customer starts an MWA placement

“Completer”

means a Customer who has reached the endof the Allotted Time

“Customers”

means the customers of the Contracting Bodywho are directly in receipt of the Services

Edited May 30, 2013 by curtseavers

[curtseavers]

Man, some of these terms are hilariously politically incorrect!

 

“Landed Resources”

means when the Prime Contractor (or any of itsSub-contractors) cause foreign nationals to be brought to the United Kingdom, to provide the Services

“MWA”

means Mandatory Work Activity a provision whereby customers in receipt of JSA arereferred to the Prime Contractor by JCPPersonal Advisors to complete not less thanthirty (30) hours of work related activity overnot less than a four (4) week period

“MWA Placement StartDate”

means the date recorded by the PrimeContractor as the date the Customer starts theMWA placement and recorded on the

Contracting Body‟s PRaP system or such other

information technology or clerical systemprescribed by the Contracting Body

“PRaP”

means the Provider Referral and Payment system

 

“Start”

 

means that the Prime Contractor has confirmedthat the Customer can be provided with aplacement for the Allotted Time and that theCustomer has received the necessary healthand safety and standards of behaviourinduction and has attended the placement

 

“Start Fee”

 

means the fee payable when the PrimeContractor records the MWA Placement Start

Date on the Contracting Body‟s PRaP system

or such other information technology or clericalsystem prescribed by the Contracting Bodydeclaring that all conditions for paymentspecified herein have been met

Edited May 30, 2013 by curtseavers

[curtseavers]

Im sure you guys have read this before or segments, sorry about the posts but just wanted to get to ten so I couldp ost the link haha

Not likely to happen tonight, but yeah, this whole thing is a fraud and it's only gonna get worse.

I'm all for working, please believe me I work on my own stuff when I'm not looking for jobs and I work damn hard at it without any pay in the hope that it might pay off in the end. But some of the stuff I read in that contract was just clarification to me this Work Programme is just a load of BS.

[curtseavers]

Of course, the Government hold a different view when it comes to those working within the Providers.

They actually demand these people are taught skills and expect results.

APPENDIX 10: APPRENTISHIP AND SKILLS REQUIREMENT

They tend to worry about bringing those people up yet care little about the worker ants.

[osdset]

Using the black box approach and treating the unemployed like meat pies was not the answer . I am quite happy to stick my cold steak and kidney pie in the microwave and have it emerge piping hot after a minute or so, and I'm not particularly fussed on just how the microwave achieved this minor miracle. The government regard the black box approach in the same light 'we don't care how it does the job so long as the job gets done'.

 

The Work Programmes black box is a microwave with a blown fuse and mechanics that were faulty by design, any hope of even a lukewarm pie was wishful thinking. The government seem to be under the impression that this faulty piece of kit is churning out red hot pies at a rate of knots, the reality is that the pimps are serving up cold pies pretending they are hot and earning a fortune in the process.

[RebeccaPidgeon]

Found this interesting. It deals with Seetec but I'm sure similar contracts were dealt with by the DWP. All Contracts end April 2015.

 

Page 95 is about how the providers get paid. They get paid everytime a "customer" starts a MWA. Seems like the big idea is to remove people from JSA so the unemployment figures go down, regardless of the consequences to the "customer". Sanctions, even for the smallest duration, count as a person being removed from JSA so it all adds up.

Man, what a huge rip off this all is!!

 

I need to post ten posts in order to post link??

Message me if any want link.

£32Million was Seetec's fee I believe?

According to the Tender Document, Work Programme Providers receive a payment from the Government if the candidate i) secures employment, or ii) decides to go self employed. In the case of self employment, irrespective of whether the candidate has a Business Plan, if they simply register a business, then for every four weeks that business is registered, the Work Programme Provider may claim £215 for every 4 weeks, up to the maximum period of 2 years.

[jasta11]

Interesting reading - and exactly what you'd expect from this government.

 

Curtseavers - it's best to start the way you mean to go on when you're with Ingeus; show them that you know the rules, aren't afraid to complain and won't be pushed about or initimidated. They're banking on you not knowing the rules and being afraid of the JC so that they can get you to do anything they want.

 

At the same time, give them a fair chance - you might actually land a decent advisor (there has to be one somewhere!)

[snowy101]

Just been sent this, i was wondering if it might be connected to Ingeus?, it mentions welfare to work . If the link is against site policy , please feel free to remove & my apologies.

 

http://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/functional-skills-tutor/23095668?WT.mc_id=indeed

[RebeccaPidgeon]

Just been sent this, i was wondering if it might be connected to Ingeus?, it mentions welfare to work . If the link is against site policy , please feel free to remove & my apologies.

 

http://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/functional-skills-tutor/23095668?WT.mc_id=indeed

It could be related to W2W... however, FE Colleges do use agencies to recruit tutors, not just for W2W but also for Adult Trainers, and hence the advert may not be related to Ingeus.

[Charlotte_Henderson]

How much does your advisor get as a bonus if you get a job?

[Charlotte_Henderson]

Darnit.... Should have thought of that one myself - Got a very old mobile phone number from last century, back in the days when a mobile phone was the size of a breeze block...

 

Why give them a mobile number at all, i told my advisor i simply couldn't afford to run a mobile on the peanuts the JC give me

[Charlotte_Henderson]

 

By all means give Ingeus a fair chance - you may actually find you have decent, skilled advisors who genuinely want to help

 

No such person works at Ingeus!

[indkaiii]

Not had much of a read through this just yet, but I was wondering if someone could give me a quick run down on how viable using the DPA to retract my DPA waiver would be. I've been with Ingeus now for a few month, have a start date for a job (to literally zero credit to anyone at Ingeus) & want to effectively make myself worthless to them while also taking away my details so that they can't make contact.

[Bakatcha]

Not had much of a read through this just yet, but I was wondering if someone could give me a quick run down on how viable using the DPA to retract my DPA waiver would be. I've been with Ingeus now for a few month, have a start date for a job (to literally zero credit to anyone at Ingeus) & want to effectively make myself worthless to them while also taking away my details so that they can't make contact.

Write them a letter withdrawing your consent. Lots of info earlier in this thread or visit the consent.me site.

[Paulo83]

Thanks for the replies to my first post.

 

Just a quick update. They telephoned me last Thursday to make a first appointment, and offered me the next day. Wasn't taking that at such short notice, so instead I've got my first appointment with them at 9.30 in the morning (Friday). The only thing I have to take with me is my CV. I won't be signing any waiver or any other forms they pressure me into signing. Can't say I'm looking forward to going, especially as I have had bronchitis for over a week and now that's turned into a common cold! I will load up on painkillers to ease the pain of my headache and the interview.

[Nystagmite]

Thanks for the replies to my first post.

 

Just a quick update. They telephoned me last Thursday to make a first appointment, and offered me the next day. Wasn't taking that at such short notice, so instead I've got my first appointment with them at 9.30 in the morning (Friday). The only thing I have to take with me is my CV. I won't be signing any waiver or any other forms they pressure me into signing. Can't say I'm looking forward to going, especially as I have had bronchitis for over a week and now that's turned into a common cold! I will load up on painkillers to ease the pain of my headache and the interview.

 

They're meant to give 48 hours notice.

[Paulo83]

They're meant to give 48 hours notice.

 

Yeah, that's why I said no. It wouldn't even have been 24 hours notice, which is wholly unreasonable.

[Chester6]

Effective jobsearch meant 40 minutes of general chat and then being asked if I needed anything

The muppet was nowhere in sight

I now know loads about other people and zero about the topic

I am happy

[Mr.P]

The only thing I have to take with me is my CV.

 

The only thing you have to take is the original letter mandating your attendance - That is only to demonstrate who you are, and that you have a genuine appointment.

 

You are not required to provide any further forms of identity, nor do you need to take a CV. By all means tell them that you have a CV and that you are happy with the content. If they start telling you "that you must be doing something wrong as you haven't got a job", remind them that their current performance falls well short of expectations, therefore, they are the ones that must be doing something wrong.

[joeski]

when i had an appointment with my last ingeus advisor he asked me to do something on the computer, then went off for his lunch break without finishing the appointment :O

[Mr.P]

My response would have been either:

a) You will stay until I have finished.

b) If you go for lunch, it is only reasonable that I too have a break. We can conclude at a later date.

 

 

[jasta11]

May as well post this here, as it concerns the Work Program and what happens afterwards - or what might NOT be happening afterwards

 

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/government-abandons-flagship-workfare-scheme/

[Paulo83]

Further update.

 

Attended my first induction/group meeting and we had an overly-nice and enthusiastic advisor, who basically led the group to believe that the streets were paved with gold now they are on the work programme with Ingeus. And to be honest, anybody without any insight into what Ingeus and other work programme providers are like, would easily swallow up the positive spin. There was lots of, "We are on your side guys." "We only want you off benefits and back in work." Or in other words, we only want to make a quick buck off your own work finding a job. As for the CV, I took it along but wasn't asked for it. They asked me to provide a copy of my CV for my next appointment, but I take it I don't have to if I don't want? My first one-on-one session with my advisor is on Monday, so I'll be back with another update.

 

Just a few more thoughts. Today went better than I expected, but something still really annoyed me. I think it was how the advisor running the introductory session painted Ingeus in oh so many pretty colours. At times it was nauseating, and the other people there were really drawn into it all. I did notice another thing which concerned me - they offered courses/workshops on dealing with depression, anxiety and mental health issues. I have suffered from such issues recently and in the past. I am rather a suspicious as to why a company that makes profits out sending (or forcing) people back to work would offer such a service? Perhaps to convince you there is really nothing wrong with you and it's all down to being unemployed?

[Paulo83]

Oh, one last thing I forgot to add, they told us today that Ingeus never forces anybody into doing voluntary work. I know that in the past, this isn't true. Have they changed their policy, or is this lies?

[debt4get]

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/%C2%A330m-bid-to-help-jobless-find-work-1

govt introduces extension to w2w after 2years on programme.....remember guys if you havent got a job...its your fault!!!!