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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Have had this for over a year now, but it has developed a fault. When I phone up to ask for it to be fixed I am told that it will cost me for a new box and an engineer to come out. When I say that it should last longer than a year I am told if I don't want to pay then they cannot fix it. Anybody have any ideas how to get them to fix it, do I phone them quoting sale of goods act or write to them or even try trading standards?

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The box only comes with a 12 month manufacturer's warranty, so I'm afraid that Sky aren't obliged to cover repair costs after that. As previously mentioned, if you call back and tell them you're cancelling, you WILL be offered a free service call. If they're unable to repair the fault on-site, they'll replace the box for you.

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Actually the sale of goods act, does state that goods should work for a reasonable amount of time regardless of Manufacturers warrenty or extended warrenties. A Sky + box should be expected to last around five years. So despite what they say they should fix or replace it for you. Look up the Sale of Goods Act for correctlegalk jardgon on this, Ive used many a times for electrical goods where they keep blabbing on about 1 year blah blah blah is rubbish trust me!"!"!

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My 7 year old Sky+ box also developed a fault recently, a couple of days after cancelling the subscription but that's not relevant, when we phoned to discuss it transpired that Sky had been running update programmes/messages and ours froze. They tried to get us to pay £60 for an engineer, thankfully it was MrFroogle who was speaking to them and he put his foot right down, and basically said you broke it you fix it, engineer was here next working day... hubby is better at that sort of thing.

 

I'd get back on to them if you think its a similar problem.

Worth a try :p

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To expect a sky+ box to last 5+ years under SoGA is to be blunt unreasonable. Just the box part yes it should last a decent amount of time but there is also a mechanical part in there - The hard drive I would say expecting a 40GB hard drive that is more or less always spinning to last 5 years is not reasonable, however it should definitely last longer than 12 months without a shadow of a doubt.

 

The old cancel trick works a treat every time though, also if you want some freebies try this one

 

Phone up and say you're thinking of cancelling what channels would I get free if I do, they will then launch into their spiel and you'll probs get half price everything for 3 months then wait a few months after that 3 months and try it again lol

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Rich44 is right. I worked for Sky's sales team when I lived in Scotland and they employ a whole team just to persude you to stay with them, They offer incemtives by giving away free channels ect.They also don't like confrontation and will back down if you stand fast and demand it be fixed or you will take your business to NTL.

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Success, I finally mangaged to not get bored and hang up after all their optons and waiting. I was amazed how quickly they caved and are sending an engineer out on Monday. No charge. Thanks for all the help.

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The hard drive I would say expecting a 40GB hard drive that is more or less always spinning to last 5 years is not reasonable

 

I am an IT professional with expertise in designing reliable data storage systems, and I completely disagree with that statement. Since the early 1990s, the mean time between failures of low-cost disk drives has been over 25 years.

 

According to its web pages, Seagate warrants its low-cost drives for five years; see:

 

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Yeah well i'm an IT professional too shall we turn this into a peeing contest?

 

Do you really trust the word of the ppl who make the drives in the first place? Thats like believing HP and Epson when they quote their ppm speeds.

 

UNDER IDEAL CIRCUMSTANCES maybe there is no way in real world applications that you can expect a constantly spinning hard drive to last 5 years.

 

Remember that the Sky+ boxes are under cooled to start with, we're talking in a small sky+ box here NOT in a large fan cooled PC. Have you actually taken a Sky+ box apart and seen the cooling involved??

 

MTBF figures never work in the real world they are estimated under lab conditions or are you claiming they develop a drive and test it for 25 years prior to release its also why its referred to as Reliability Prediction Procedure

 

The key word is prediction its not real.

 

Seagate may well warranty their HDs for this long BUT again thats in a PC rather than a home appliance and besides if you took it to court its a mechanical part a judge is going to look at the cost of the box and the length of time you claim it should last and say tough IMO.

 

Not to mention this whole discussion is totally irrelevant to this thread as the fault was nothing to do with hard drives it was either a fault with the LNB, cabling or the sky electronics side of the box

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