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    • Absolutely for the agreement they are referring to.... puts them on notice that this is going to be a uphill fight.   Andy 
    • Particular's of claim for reference only 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Suggested defence 1. The Defendant contends the particulars of the claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.3 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. The claimant has not complied with paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre action protocol) failed to serve a letter of claim pre claim pursuant to PAPDC changes of the 1st of October 2017. It is respectfully requested that the court take this into consideration pursuant 7.1 PAPDC. 3. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had financial dealings but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification. 4. Paragraph 2 is denied. I have not been served with a default notice pursuant to the consumer credit act 1974. 5. Paragraph 3 is denied. i am unaware of any legal assignment or notice of assignment. A copy of assignment was sent by Overdales solicitors when acknowledgement of receipt of CPR request was received, but this was not the original.   6. Paragraph 4 is denied. Neither the original creditor or the assignee have served notice pursuant to sec86c of the Credit Consumer Act 1974 Notice of Sums in Arrears and therefore prevented from charging interest on debt regulated by the CCA1974. 7. The defendant submitted a request for a copy of the alleged agreement pursuant to s78 CCA 1974. The claimant has acknowledged receipt of request but has failed to comply. The claimant has failed to provide any evidence of balance or Default Notice requested by CPR 31.14 8. It is therefore denied with regards to defendant owing any monies to the claimant. therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to:  a.  Show how the defendant has entered into an agreement with HSBC. b.  Show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a Default notice pursuant to section 87 (1) CCA 1974. c.  Show and quantify how the defendant has reached the amount claimed for. d.  Show how the claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity  to issue a claim. 8.  As per civil procedure rule 16.5 (4) it is expected claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 9.  Until such time the claimant can comply to a section 78 request he is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.     .
    • OK, well rereading the court orders from March, in the cold light of day rather than when knackered late at night, it is quite clear that on 25 June there will only be a preliminary hearing about Laura representing her son.  Nothing more. It's lazy DCBL who haven't read things properly and have stupidly sent their Witness Statement early. Laura & I had already been working on a WS, and here it is.  It needs tweaking now after reading the rubbish that DCBL sent and after all of LFI's comments.  But the "meat" is there. Defendant's WS - version 1.pdf
    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
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hi BRW

 

Plenty of valid points raised there and i understand were you are coming from with the idiot guide about people following it blindly and not understanding what they are doing.

 

The same can be said about much of the litigation that goes on around this site there are people who start litigation and don't know what cpr is, but they get help and they get stage by stage help and more often than not get the result they want.

 

My point about the acceptance letter is that this is pre litigation and if you get it right at this stage then it has the possibility of stoping it going to litigation.

If it goes to court then at least the paperwork is right for this part.

 

The basic form of this is two parts

1 accept the rescission

2 tell then that as the contract is over then so are they're rights to process your data

 

The point you make about not telling them how to put the DN right

most of the company's that we see on here that are issuing the faulty DN are banks building society and credit cards.

 

these are multi billion pound company's that at the time of writing up the DN didn't pay enough attention to detail when they start to reallies that a faulty DN can be terminal then they are going to pay it a lot more attention

 

at this point i find it hard to believe that such big company's are going to have some guy surfing the net trying to find out to fix the problem of a faulty DN.

Eureka he finds cag and saves the company.

 

This is how i think it will go

Bank gets more and more cases going to court on the DN issue,

Bank gets p****d **f calls in the barristers

They research CCA and case law and then come out with a all new DN

 

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The barristers will get all the info of what is wrong by looking at what has gone thro court .

 

if you really think that they are going to be looking on cag for the answer to a multi million pound problem and take what you me and every other Jo blogs think then you really are thinking to hard

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The reason that the creditors don't particularly care for the accuracy of their DN's is because to them it is all a "numbers game"

 

the amount of caggers and other sites breeding LIP's to fight them is but a pimple on a dimple on a fleas left ball!!

 

they send out 10,000 DN's 5,000 people pay up or come to an arrangement out of fear (and because they dont know about sites like this)

 

4750 dont respond because they are skint and the creditor goes on to get a CCJ by default

 

250 are caggers and the like

 

until the odds shift considerably against them, i venture to suggest they are quite happy with these odds!!

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The reason that the creditors don't particularly care for the accuracy of their DN's is because to them it is all a "numbers game"

 

the amount of caggers and other sites breeding LIP's to fight them is but a pimple on a dimple on a fleas left ball!!

 

they send out 10,000 DN's 5,000 people pay up or come to an arrangement out of fear (and because they dont know about sites like this)

 

4750 dont respond because they are skint and the creditor goes on to get a CCJ by default

 

250 are caggers and the like

 

until the odds shift considerably against them, i venture to suggest they are quite happy with these odds!!

 

I agree with that Dicky

It is only when the snowball grows that they will do something about it exactly what happened with bank charges

 

If the CMC start pushing faulty DN then it wont be long before a faulty DN becomes an endangered species

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at this point i find it hard to believe that such big company's are going to have some guy surfing the net trying to find out to fix the problem of a faulty DN.

Eureka he finds cag and saves the company.

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You will be surprised.

 

CAG has done more to educate some of these companies than their in house training programme in respect of the CCA.

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Will copies of DN's be shown in a Subject Access Request?

 

I have had Formal Demands for the full amounts for two BC accounts but have not been sent any DN's (or if I have, they've been lost in the post....they would have been sent around the time of the postal strike late last year).

 

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Will copies of DN's be shown in a Subject Access Request?

 

I have had Formal Demands for the full amounts for two BC accounts but have not been sent any DN's (or if I have, they've been lost in the post....they would have been sent around the time of the postal strike late last year).

 

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Hi Basil,

 

I don't believe they keep copies of them from what I have read on others threads.

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Couldn't agree more BRW.

 

There is already an 'idiots guide' if the donut banks/DCAs could be bothered to read it (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices Regs 1983) but apparently some of the words are quite long so they don't bother :)

 

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Will copies of DN's be shown in a Subject Access Request?

 

I have had Formal Demands for the full amounts for two BC accounts but have not been sent any DN's (or if I have, they've been lost in the post....they would have been sent around the time of the postal strike late last year).

 

BF

 

It's more likely that you will get a copy of a template of a DN which was supposedly sent out, and a copy of a screenshot on a PC confirming when it was issued and by whom. Actual copies of DNs sent out are rarely kept.

 

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they should be in a reply to a SAR if you have asked for all information held on you, but company's are very selective on what they think they can get away with sending, different company's send out different info in they're reply but i don't think any company sends it all.

 

DNs should also be in CCA requests where they are mentioned in T&Cs when borrower is in default.

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Would you mind popping over to my thread for advice on a DN that's not a DN :confused:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/mbna/81907-mbna-ding-ding-round-10.html#post2743043

 

I would like opinions on a 'Defaulted Acc' (no prescribed terms on CCA) but no DN actually sent or received.

 

Thanks so much :)

 

Can anyone help please?

PLEASE sign this petition to reduce amount of time CRAs hold your data

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CreditRA

 

I HATE MBNA :evil::-x:mad::-x

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they should be in a reply to a SAR if you have asked for all information held on you, but company's are very selective on what they think they can get away with sending, different company's send out different info in they're reply but i don't think any company sends it all.

 

That's why when you send the SAR, you specify that you want everything, including DN, CCA etc.

 

Anything they don't send, you ask once more then complain to the information commissioner.

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