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If you need to add something to this thread then   Please click the "Report " link   at the bottom of one of the posts.   If you want to post a new story then Please Start your own new thread That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help    Thanks   citizenB Posted March 4, 2014 #1   The questionnaires below provide important information which will allow us to help you. In order to use them, you will have to copy them into your own post and then give us the answers – preferably in red below each question. You can start by overwriting the prompt: "Give answer here" below each question – and your responses should automatically appear in red   Thank you +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   You have received a claim form.   firstly - read all the posts in this thread FIRST...   then copy this first msg to your thread - and put your answer after each question   In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us]     Which Court have you received the claim from ? Name County Court   MCOL Northampton N1 ? Manual Claim CCMCC (Salford) ? New beta WWW.MONEYCLAIMS.SERVICE.GOV.UK ?   If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. (not the response page or AOS)     Name of the Claimant ? Give answer here   How many defendant's  joint or self ? Give answer here   Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. Give answer here   ^^^^^ NOTE : WHEN CALCULATING THE TIMELINE - PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE DATE ON THE CLAIMFORM IS ONE IN THE COUNT [example: Issue date 01.03.2014 + 19 days (5 days for service + 14 days to acknowledge) = 19.03.2014 + 14 days to submit defence = 02.04.2014] = 33 days in total   Date of issue XX + 19 days ( 5 day for service + 14 days to acknowledge) = XX + 14 days to submit defence = XX (33 days in total)  if your defence filing date falls on a W/End, you must file by friday @4PM     Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? Please type out their particulars of claim in full (verbatim) less any identifiable data and round the amounts up/down. state how many digits the account number has.. Give answer here   What is the total value of the claim? Give answer here   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Give answer here   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? Give answer here   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? Give answer here Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Give answer here   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? Give answer here   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Give answer here   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Give answer here   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Give answer here   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Give answer here   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Give answer here   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Give answer here   Why did you cease payments? Give answer here   What was the date of your last payment? Give answer here   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? Give answer here   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Give answer here   What you need to do now.   Answer the questions above   If you have not already done so – send a CCA request to the claimant for a copy of your agreement (If Applicable) (except for Overdraft/ Mobile/Telephone accounts)   Send a CPR31.14 request to the solicitor named on the claim form for copies of documents mentioned/implied within the claim form. There are two different versions - one for Loans/Credit cards the other for Current accounts   Request 1 - Loans/Credit Cards     Request 2 - Current Accounts     You may use a CPR part 18 request for any other information (not request documents) that you might require in order to defend yourself. Please note that CPR 18 is specifically for Fast Track claims and although technically the claim has yet to be allocated to a track the claimant may refuse to comply for this reason.   If you require CPR Part 18 - this will need to be drafted specifically.   If you are not planning on defending for one reason or another – then you will need to complete an Income and Expenditure form and contact the Solicitor with your proposal. The N9a is already enclosed in the claim pack for Admittance which should be sent to the solicitor named on the claim form   If you are considering making a partial admittance N9b must be completed and returned to the court. Please note in most cases a partial admittance will result in an automatic CCJ for the amount admitted.   You have received a Claim - What you need to do.pdf1.33 MB · 242 downloads     Before Printing the PDF TIP   If you DO NOT wish to print Page 1 (Cover Page) of the PDF, please ensure to do the following:   Ensure you go to your Printer Settings and set it to 'Print from Page 2' (this way Page 1 (Cover Page) should not print out).   Note: This will save you Ink & Paper     Bookmark   Report 3 weeks later...   AndyOrch Posted March 20, 2014 #2   Once you receive a Court Summons N1   As a defendant in a small claims case it is important that you act quickly and do not ignore the claim form when it arrives. Remember, the claim will proceed anyway even if you don’t respond. If the claim goes against you, it will be very difficult to make a counter claim as you didn’t respond to the initial small claim.   You may be unaware that you are the defendant in a small claims case that a Creditor has bought against you. When the small claims form arrives follow these initial steps:   1: Read the Form Carefully   The detail about the claim that is being bought against you will be in the ‘particulars of claim’ section. If this section isn't completed, or has the words ‘particulars of claim to follow’ take no action now and wait until you are sent details of the claim against you. You may want to consult a lawyer at this stage.   2: Respond in Time   It’s vitally important that you respond to the claim for you have been sent. Remember that there is a 19 day (5 +14) time limit on this to acknowledge the claim.You must submit before the 19 days are up, so post your response with plenty of time.If your intention is to defend the claim in full you get a further 14 days to submit your response ...so 33 days in total.   3: Talk to the Claimant   Just because a small claim has been bought against you and a claim form issued, this doesn’t mean you are not allowed to contact the claimant directly. In fact the court encourages you to try and settle the claim without the need for a court appearance. So, try and resolve your dispute directly with the claimant if you can.   Not Responding to a Small Claim   If you ignore the small claims form when it arrives this can have an adverse impact on your financial status. The court will continue with the small claims lawsuit that is being bought against you even in your absence as this is a legal requirement. When the small claim is processed you will be sent a bill showing the amount you owe and any additional costs. The small claims against you is a legal process that will be recorded on the Register of Judgements, Orders and Fines. This information is used to check your credit, so could have a negative impact when you next apply for any credit. To avoid damaging your credit rating reply to your small claims docket as soon as you can.   How to Respond to Your Small Claims Form   When you received your form from the court you will also have been sent a response pack. In this pack you will see the option that are open to you. These include:   • A dispute claim form. You can use this form if you do not agree that you are liable for the small claim being bought against you and wish to submit a Defence. • Details about how to pay the amount being claimed from you. • Details about how to admit to part of the small claim against you, and how you can ask the claimant for more time to pay.   There are Two Types of Small Claims:   Fixed Amounts:   If the claim against you is for a fixed amount of money your response pack will contain three forms. Form N9 (acknowledgement of Service), form N9A (admission form) and N9B (defence and counterclaim form).   Unspecified Amounts:   If the amount being claimed is unspecified you will be sent forms N9 and N9C (admission form) and N9D (defence and counterclaim form). It is vital that you read the accompanying explanatory notes before choosing which form to send back.   Paying the Small Claim   If you want to make full payment of the amount being claimed against you this amount will be shown on the claim for you have been sent, and will also have details about where to send the money. Don’t forget, this must be done within the 14 day time limit or your case will proceed to the next stage.   In some instances you would like to pay, but need more time, you can give details about the delay you would like on form N9A, which should be in your response pack. It’s also a good idea to read leaflet EX309: The Defendant Admits by claim as this gives more details on this aspect of your case when fixed amounts of money are involved. Leaflet EX308 gives details of cases when unspecified amounts are being claimed against you.   Also please read forms EX326 and EX160A   How to Defend a Claim Against You   Disputed claims are handled by filling in the appropriate form from your response pack. You have three choices: Form N9, N9B or N9D. Read the note accompanying each form carefully to ensure you completely correctly. Pay special attention to the allegations raised on the form. If you don’t respond to each the court will assume you are admitting guilt. Edited April 10, 2014 by stu007 Updated PDF added    1   Bookmark   Report 2 months later...   citizenB   Posted June 5, 2014 #3   PLEASE NOTE - WARNING   Once you have received your claim form - the Court timetable comes into force. Not that of the creditor or claimant. If you have requested information with them after the claim has been issued - or have entered into discussion with them and they say something like "We will put this on hold for a period of time". 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Just a little reminder.

 

'Bulk mail collection letters typically

cost 30 pence apiece. U.K. collectors,

including NCO Europe, typically send

out four to six letters per account to

make contact.

About 5% of accounts in the UK are

suitable for litigation.'

 

http://www.credit-manager.co.uk/other/CCR%20May07%20UKDebtCrisis.pdf

 

......which surely means 95% aren't 'suitable' for litigation, which once again raises the question, why let a third party get involved in the first place??

 

If your original creditor suddenly decides they don't want to deal with you anymore, it's not your fault if they don't want to take your money, they've already given up, taken the tax relief on the gigantic sum your comparatively miniscule loan came from, and passed your 'account' onto a third party to act as bullyboy they can hide behind to squeeze more out of you.

 

It says there in black and white, straight from the horses mouth, if you choose to ignore a DCA and not deal with them at all, there is a 95% chance it will go no further than threats and harassment, they have no option but to eventually give up.

 

Knowing how they work is all well and good, but they have absolutely no authority whatsoever and the fact they might come knocking on your door is just an extension of the bullying, as long as you refuse to acknowledge their involvement or right to collect there is, in the vast majority of cases, sweet FA they can do about it. It's the existence of DCA's and purchasers that allows OC's to charge off accounts far quicker than they ever did before, and look at the mess they've got us ALL into now.

 

If more people were prepared to stick to their guns, lenders wouldn't be so quick to charge off and DCA's would eventually have nobody to chase!!!!

HOIST BY THEIR OWN PETARD.

 

Blimey it works....:-)

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Not only that Danny but some lenders are actually setting up in-house accounts in the debtors name against which they are adding large sums in the form of contractual interest AFTER Judgment

 

This allows them to come back later to chase the debtor again for a sum about which they had no knowledge ...............& if unsuccessful gives them a greater level of bad debt for set off against taxation.

 

In addition the branch carrying the delinquent debt gets to write it off it's books & everyone gets their annual bonuses

 

This has only come to light because one high street bank cocked up on a S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) by inadvertently including this mysterious 'internal' account in the documents they sent the debtor

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Yes I agree.

 

In a thread entitled "Inside a DCA" one would expect to see a discussion on the methods used by DCA's and how they work.

 

Any specific questions relating to an individual situation would be better dealt with in a separate thread on the forums.

HOIST BY THEIR OWN PETARD.

 

Blimey it works....:-)

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Good evening to you all.

 

I actually think all you comments regarding my recent posts have been rather 'tame', because I have been a bit naughty these last few days.

 

It was actually this post that really got me thinking :rolleyes:

This sites all about letting people know their rights, helping them out of debt and stopping DCA walking all over them. Divorce, addiction, redundancy, illness and change of circumstances are all part of life. Loaning money is a risky business.

 

The DCAs should work with people not try and walk all over them!

 

and I must apologise to Slc79 for using the original question to move the thread in a direction I needed to go in order to highlight a very important point regarding DCAs. A point I will return to over the weekend.

 

But a brief intro: If you have followed this thread from the start you will notice my comments about 'doorstep calls' (post 566) was out of character to all previous post, and that was deliberate, and a bit Machiavellian (I have never knocked on anyones door 8-) ). But I would ask you read the post again and see if you can see where I'm going, and the point I'm making. look at the tone, and content (what does it remind you of?).

 

I'll let you think about that Saturday and then I'll explain before submitting my latest insight 'Legal loopholes'. After which it will all make sense.

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..are we really following like sheep?

 

Maybe I gotta give back the medal again!!! :D

 

..and car, ever heard of 'variations on a theme'? Well like Dannyboy says dca's are a mutitude of sins and any variation is appropriate I feel on this thread-everything so far has been useful and enlightening to those who didn't have a clue about DCA's. IMHO..

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MEANWHILE consider the dca aspect below

 

let's quote Sean Mahon chief executive of cattles in the 2006 annual report "THE DIVISION ALSO ACHIEVED A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS SETTLING THEIR AGREEMENTS EARLY DURING THE YEAR , WHICH FELL BY 10,000 TO 35,000 CUSTOMERS (2005 45,000) REDUCING THE DIRECT REPAYMENT EARLY SETTLEMENT RATIO TO 10% (2005 13%)"

 

EXaCTLY HOW DID you "persuade" people not to pay ???

 

WELL sean you certainly have "irish " logic there

 

reminds me of the "empty horse box" bringing the "non runners " to the race track !!!

 

 

re DEBT RECOVERY

"we have a reputation for qUALITY AND ETHICAL collection practises , and we belong to the credit services association and adhere to its code of conduct . This provides comfort to blue-chip clients concerned to manage risk to their own reputations".

 

Around two thirds of lewis's revenue comes from portfolios of non-performing debt. It purchases these from credit providers at a discount to their face value and then recovers outstanding amounts. The balance of its business comes from recovering debts for clients on a commission basis and supplying investigation services, syuch as customer care visits for insurance companies and arrears and pre-litigation visits for creditors. Lewis operates one of the largest SELF_EMPLOYED field collection teams in its sector"

 

so there you have it you see what goes on "in the parallel world"

 

oh and one final point per page 11 of the annual report

 

"At present we only lend to around one in 10 people who apply for direct repayment loans. We could comfortably accept many more within our existing risk profiles "

 

is this a data "harvesting exercise" or wot ??? as on the brink suggeated earlier about gathering info for "potential profit"

:cool: sunbathing in juan les pins de temps en temps

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..and car, ever heard of 'variations on a theme'? Well like Dannyboy says dca's are a mutitude of sins and any variation is appropriate I feel on this thread-everything so far has been useful and enlightening to those who didn't have a clue about DCA's. IMHO..

 

Happy to agree to disagree - differences of opinion are welcome here, after all. (OTB's thread proves this very point)

 

Who knows, maybe OTB's next installment will include what DCA's do (or do not do) with Redirection information gleamed from Royal Mail - in which case I'll get back in my box and shut it. ;)

 

I'm all for maintaining the quality of the thread, but sometimes posters go so far off topic that the thread requires moderation (or a "little poke" in the right direction from those without moderator obligations) to keep it on topic.

 

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Good evening to you all.

 

I actually think all you comments regarding my recent posts have been rather 'tame', because I have been a bit naughty these last few days.

 

It was actually this post that really got me thinking :rolleyes:

 

 

and I must apologise to Slc79 for using the original question to move the thread in a direction I needed to go in order to highlight a very important point regarding DCAs. A point I will return to over the weekend.

 

But a brief intro: If you have followed this thread from the start you will notice my comments about 'doorstep calls' (post 566) was out of character to all previous post, and that was deliberate, and a bit Machiavellian (I have never knocked on anyones door 8-) ). But I would ask you read the post again and see if you can see where I'm going, and the point I'm making. look at the tone, and content (what does it remind you of?).

 

I'll let you think about that Saturday and then I'll explain before submitting my latest insight 'Legal loopholes'. After which it will all make sense.

 

Why you should think that being Machiavellian on a forum like this would be 'helpful' to it's members escapes me. I mean it's not as if there aren't already enough clowns from the DCA's stalking these boards

 

You had better be careful or many, including myself, will be taking your posts with a very large pinch of salt

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Happy to agree to disagree - differences of opinion are welcome here, after all. (OTB's thread proves this very point)

 

Who knows, maybe OTB's next installment will include what DCA's do (or do not do) with Redirection information gleamed from Royal Mail - in which case I'll get back in my box and shut it. ;)

 

I'm all for maintaining the quality of the thread, but sometimes posters go so far off topic that the thread requires moderation (or a "little poke" in the right direction from those without moderator obligations) to keep it on topic.

To be fair who gives a monkeys spud???

 

I dont.

 

You deal with the DCA when they are having a pop at you , most of them have watched the muppet show as I have LMFAO. Thing is I am not scared of kermit:eek: :grin: And if you get that you know what I mean;)

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Happy to agree to disagree - differences of opinion are welcome here, after all. (OTB's thread proves this very point)

 

Who knows, maybe OTB's next installment will include what DCA's do (or do not do) with Redirection information gleamed from Royal Mail - in which case I'll get back in my box and shut it. ;)

 

I'm all for maintaining the quality of the thread, but sometimes posters go so far off topic that the thread requires moderation (or a "little poke" in the right direction from those without moderator obligations) to keep it on topic.

 

My point Car was that DCA's also buy lists from no end of places for tracing. Royal Mail sell lists of redirections and not just to Public Bodies, Nectar, who are nothing to do with credit bought my details which were used to defraud a credit card company. I found out 2 years later, had the crook been granted the credit he was looking for I would also have had a DCA chasing me too. But I agree, it's good we all have opinions, that's what makes CAG what it is..

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Good evening to you all.

 

I actually think all you comments regarding my recent posts have been rather 'tame', because I have been a bit naughty these last few days.

 

It was actually this post that really got me thinking :rolleyes:

 

 

and I must apologise to Slc79 for using the original question to move the thread in a direction I needed to go in order to highlight a very important point regarding DCAs. A point I will return to over the weekend.

 

But a brief intro: If you have followed this thread from the start you will notice my comments about 'doorstep calls' (post 566) was out of character to all previous post, and that was deliberate, and a bit Machiavellian(I have never knocked on anyones door 8-) ). But I would ask you read the post again and see if you can see where I'm going, and the point I'm making. look at the tone, and content (what does it remind you of?).

 

I'll let you think about that Saturday and then I'll explain before submitting my latest insight 'Legal loopholes'. After which it will all make sense.

 

Imo you need to be very careful. I have been reading this thread and, in trying to put all my thoughts, fears and prejudices against DCA's aside, have found in the main for it to be very helpful and enlightening.

 

Those prejudices and fears have been brought about by my experience with DCA's, and I'm fairly sure there are others here who have had the same, or similar tactics. So I don't feel very comfortable when someone comes along and attempts to 'steer' me in the direction they want me to go. My experience of DCA's thus far is of mind games and intimidation backed up by fear inducing tactics, so maybe you can understand why I'm left with a nasty taste in my mouth.

 

I might have this totally wrong, and may well be left with egg on my face when 'it will all make sense' and if I am I will apologise. But at this moment your 'Machiavellian' tactics isn't sitting comfortable with me. If your post is alluding to how DCA's work, their tactics, and how they ride roughshod over peoples lives and emotions then I don't need an example or a reminder. I, along with many others, have first hand experience of that behaviour.

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Be careful chaps, and wait to see what OTB says. so far, his posts have been highly informative...

i will be off site for the next month or so. if you have any problems, feel free to report the post so a moderator can help you.

 

I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

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Be careful chaps, and wait to see what OTB says. so far, his posts have been highly informative...

 

Lets just hope his ends justifies his means, otherwise the credibility built up here could be lost.

 

I see it that he has loads of information to share, but can't share it all at once - the bits and pieces we've seen have been enlightening already.

 

We shouldn't be so quick, nor so public, to judge, IMHO.

 

There's nothing to say you have to read/subscribe to any thread, after all... ;)

 

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Imo you need to be very careful. I have been reading this thread and, in trying to put all my thoughts, fears and prejudices against DCA's aside, have found in the main for it to be very helpful and enlightening.

 

Those prejudices and fears have been brought about by my experience with DCA's, and I'm fairly sure there are others here who have had the same, or similar tactics. So I don't feel very comfortable when someone comes along and attempts to 'steer' me in the direction they want me to go. My experience of DCA's thus far is of mind games and intimidation backed up by fear inducing tactics, so maybe you can understand why I'm left with a nasty taste in my mouth.

 

I might have this totally wrong, and may well be left with egg on my face when 'it will all make sense' and if I am I will apologise. But at this moment your 'Machiavellian' tactics isn't sitting comfortable with me. If your post is alluding to how DCA's work, their tactics, and how they ride roughshod over peoples lives and emotions then I don't need an example or a reminder. I, along with many others, have first hand experience of that behaviour.

 

I totally agree! I must admit that it would have to be something mind blowing to justify such a machiavellian and self indulgant process of delivering information!

Most people on here have genuine concerns and to play with them in such a way (even if your intentions are good) is cruel at best.

 

I also think, even if the information is mind blowing, there would have been a better way to deliver it.

 

I too will apologise if I am wrong but I find it very upseting that OTB would use such an underhand way of trying to help people with enough to worry about than being made to look foolish!!

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Personally, I am interested in knowing the procedures the DCA follow to track debtors. I honestly am not a debtor and have paid my way all my life. But in last couple of months have had one DCA getting hold of my name and address, alleging a catalogue debt, which was totally fictitious. Then another DCA sending letters to my address for someone not known to me - i.e. mistaken identity. Knowing how to be able to get rid of their false claims and unwanted correspondence in my concern and whether I need to ignore certain letters or actively defend myself.

 

Before a DCA sends out an agent to doorknock, surely they must have followed the procedures of establishing if the person they are trying to track down is residing there. A simple check on the electoral roll should surely be enough to see who is currently living at an address, or is it??? Also, they are unlikely to turn up out of the blue, without having sent out numerous threatening letters and warnings to the address. So if an agent knocks on your door, the problem as I see it is, do you have to tell them who you are? Unless they confirm you are debtor, why would the Agent divulge personal information about the alleged debt - data protection act, etc. If you are not the debtor, why should you have to prove that you are an innocent party? What rights do they have to demand information from someone other than the debtor? If a baliff turns up on the doorstep, you would probably be keen to prove you are not the debtor as you don't want them to take your stuff. But then again, they would not just turn up out of the blue without a letter being sent from the courts. What about getting in touch with Trading Standards if they are using harassment?

 

I don't know. More confused than ever about what to do or not to do. I could certainly do with education in this minefield. Awaiting with interest OTB's next installment.

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Why you should think that being Machiavellian on a forum like this would be 'helpful' to it's members escapes me. I mean it's not as if there aren't already enough clowns from the DCA's stalking these boards

 

You had better be careful or many, including myself, will be taking your posts with a very large pinch of salt

 

Then I give up.

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Why?

 

I believe Joncris is simply saying that we have learned to be very careful on these forums because of baiting and misinformation being fed by DCA employees.

 

No-one is suggesting this is you, OTB - I think rather it's some good advice about how people can be sensitive to the information presented to them - I'm sure everyone really appreciates the good advice you have given that couldn't be gleaned from elsewhere.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Then I give up.

Please don't give up OTB. We need you.:p

 

I could do with using my grey matter to think outside the box. Too many dead brain cells in my skull unfortunately, so it takes much repetition to absorb information these days. So I assume you are trying to expand our thinking on this topic. I can't stand the suspense ...

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sic79 The advice you need is all over this site.

 

All it takes is a little time & trouble, on your part, reading through various threads but the 1st bit of advice I can give is that DCA's don't give a toss about procedures or what is or what isn't legal they will do wherever it takes including lie, cheat, assault & even commit burglary if they think they can get away with it

 

Never ever talk to the on the phone or at the door unless you can audio record the conversation

 

Never ever sign any correspondence only print you name

 

Never ever give them any information no matter how innocuous the query might seem at the time

 

Never ever trust a DCA or it's agents

 

The only way you are going to put a complete stop to their shenanigans is to not only threaten them but also to do it. - Report them to TS the OFT & the ICO then if that don't work issue proceedings in the county court for harassment & at the same time seeking an order stopping them from processing your data - otherwise they will simply 'sell' your account to another DCA & the process will start all over again

 

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To them it matters not one jot who's responsible as long as someone, anyone pays & here's an example:-

 

Currently I know of 2 pensioners who have been paying a debt for over a decade for which they have no liability whatsoever. I don't mean the debt is unenforceable I mean no liability because they never ever borrowed the money a relative did & the pensioners never signed any documents

 

When this relative stopped paying they where told that because their address had been used they where liable so have been paying this unsecured debt for almost 14 years.

 

Being proud folk this appalling state of affairs only came to light when another relative was visiting at the time of the 'collector'

 

When this well known lender was taken to task they cancelled the account but are refusing to refund the large sums of monies already paid

 

Needless to say hope to see them in court real soon

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Sic the answers you want are all over this site

All it takes is a little time & trouble, on your part, reading through various threads.

The 1st bit of advice I can give is that DCA's don't give a toss about procedures or what is or what isn't legal they will do wherever it takes including lie, cheat, assault & even commit burglary if they think they can get away with it

Never ever talk to the on the phone or at the door unless you can audio record the conversation

Never ever sign any correspondence only print you name

Never ever give them any information no matter how innocuous the query might seem at the time

Never ever trust a DCA or it's agents

The only way you are going to put a complete stop to their shenanigans is to not only threaten them but also to do it. - Report them to TS the OFT & the ICO then if that don't work issue proceedings in the county court for harassment & at the same time seeking an order stopping them from processing your data - otherwise they will simply 'sell' your account to another DCA & the process will start all over again

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To them it matters not one jot who's responsible as long as someone, anyone pays & here's an example:-

Currently I know of 2 pensioners who have been paying a debt for over a decade for which they have no liability whatsoever. I don't mean the debt is unenforceable I mean no liability because they never ever borrowed the money a relative did & the pensioners never signed any documents

When this relative stopped paying they where told that because their address had been used they where liable so have been paying this unsecured debt for almost 14 years.

Being proud folk this appalling state of affairs only came to light when another relative was visiting at the time of the 'collector'

When this well known lender was taken to task they cancelled the account but are refusing to refund the large sums of monies already paid

To them "See you in court real soon you barstewards" when your going to be well & truly screwed - I promise"

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