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    • I have recently found myself in financial difficulties and with the help of forum members in another thread regarding this, I think I can get myself sorted. My query here is how to deal with a Cifas marker that has been logged against me by one of my creditors for "evasion of payment". Admittedly yes I did get a £5000 loan with them and have not paid any payment but at the start of the year, which is when the loan landed, I realised I was going to be struggling to repay that and other debts and I contacted MCB to ask if there was any way I could extend the loan from 24 months to 36 months. I explained my situation and that I was going with a DMP and asked them if they could help me with this. They did not reply. I then emailed them again a month later explaining that my DMP was going ahead and could they confirm that the direct debit was indeed cancelled. Again, they did not reply. The DMP fell apart and so did everything else thereafter. My bank withdrew my overdraft and said I could not stay with them (I thought initially that it was because of the DMP) so I opened another account (Starling) and set up all my direct debits etc with the new bank. A month into being with the new bank, they contacted me and said they were closing my account in three months. So I started applying for other basic accounts and every single one of them either refused or revoked.  Through the help in the other thread, I requested a SAR from Cifas and discovered that I have this marker against my name for "evasion of payment". I have logged a complaint with MCB on the advice of other forum members, but my query really is do you think the marker is fair given that I did ask them for help and I did explain that I was going to be struggling financially to repay the loan over the original two years, and is there any way that I can get it removed? I fully admit that I have yet to make a payment to them and I suppose in my naivety and panic I thought if I emailed them early on they could extend the loan and help me out, but they didn't even reply  I did manage to open an account with Monzo before the marker was in place, but I am very concerned that if Monzo do what Starling did, I will have no bank account to pay my bills or get my wages paid into.  Realistically based on the information I have given here, what do you think my chances are of getting this marker removed? Any help/advice on this would be greatly appreciated x
    • Thank you dx, that is what I intend to do now. I have gone through all the SAR documents, a lot of which I am seeing for the first time! As per my previous post #116 letters and statements alleged to have been sent to me, as recorded on their system notes I have not received. Letters I have sent requesting information and account statements have not been recorded as being received by them, all were sent either by Recorded or Special Delivery. I have all the proof you menrtioned from my files for payments and from their SAR info for fees added. Thanks t
    • In my experience (not with car payments) but with many other things, my partner has been ill and signed off in the past and we have been unable to meet various commitments.  Naturally if you ring the call centre they are going to fob you off and tell you you must pay, that's why that never ever works. I would obtain a note from her GP listing all her health issues plus medications plus side effects, then write to the finance company with a copy of it, explaining the situation, as you have here, asking for a payment holiday. Perhaps mention that the car is very much needed for hospital appointments etc. It's likely the finance company would rather you pay till term end than, chase you for money they will never see, and sell the car at auction for a loss,  You can search some of my threads going back years, advising people to do this for Council Tax, Tax Credits, HMRC, Even a solicitors company and it always works, because contrary to popular belief people are reasonable.
    • Sorry, I haven't ever seen one of these agreements. Read it all and look out for anything that says when she can withdraw and when she is committed to go ahead. If it isn't clear she may need to call the housing provider and simply say what you posted here, she doesn't want to go ahead and how does she withdraw her swap application?
    • Thank you! Your head is like a power bank of knowledge.  Her health issues are short term, due to a relationship breakdown she took it pretty hard and has been signed off work on medication for 3 months. She only started her job in February 24 so does not qualify for any occupational sick benefits, which is where the ssp only comes in. (You will see me posting a few things over the coming days, whilst I try and sort some things for her)  I sat with her last night relaying all this back and she does want to work out a plan, she was ready to propose £100 for the next 3 months and then an additional £70 per month onto of her contractual to "catch up" but Money247 rejecting the payment holiday and demanding £200 thew her, which is why I came on here.   
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On my agreement the accpetance fee is under the charge for credit, but i have been charged £117 interest on the acceptance fee is that correct..

 

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HI Sammy

 

Sorry it is a bit small for me to read

 

If they have include the interest within the total charge for credit it would not be cause for a claim of improper execution of the agreement it is still however questionable practice and worth reporting to the fos.

 

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Glad to give an opinion if you want me to but you will have to tell me where the agreementis is,i am a stranger around hear just followed my friend postpagg in

Peter

 

Would you mind having a look at mine Peter if you have time. Mine is plastered on page 83 (couldnt even manage to post it correctly) post no 1656. Many kind people have looked at it and done the maths but I am non the wiser what to do next. I have sent WF a SAR and a CCA this week.

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I've stoloen this off another thread but I think its right

 

As a general rule of thumb take the APR and divide by 2 this should give you roughly the base rate. You need to then multiply the base rate by the number of years you have borrowed the money over.

 

example

 

£5000 over 3 years @ 7.9% apr

 

7.9 divide by 2 = 3.95 x 3 = 11.85

 

£5000 x 11.85% = £592.50

 

So total repayable is £5592.50 divide by 36 monthy payments = £155.35

 

So I have:

£7464.00 over 4 years @30.7% Apr

30.7 / 2 = 15.35 x 4 = 61.4

£7464.00 x 61.4% = £4582.90

 

Total to pay back = £12046.90 / 48 payments = £250.98

Actual Amount on agreement is £12354.40 / 48 payments = £255.30.

 

My apr on the agreement states 30.7% and rate of interest per anum is 15%, they have worked my agreement out on the 15%......

 

So what now.........:shock:

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I've stoloen this off another thread but I think its right

 

As a general rule of thumb take the APR and divide by 2 this should give you roughly the base rate. You need to then multiply the base rate by the number of years you have borrowed the money over.

 

example

 

£5000 over 3 years @ 7.9% apr

 

7.9 divide by 2 = 3.95 x 3 = 11.85

 

£5000 x 11.85% = £592.50

 

So total repayable is £5592.50 divide by 36 monthy payments = £155.35

 

Andie, when you tried this formula did it come with the correct repayments? Mine are out by 65p per month.

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HI Sammy

 

Sorry it is a bit small for me to read

 

If they have include the interest within the total charge for credit it would not be cause for a claim of improper execution of the agreement it is still however questionable practice and worth reporting to the fos.

 

Peter

 

Just enlarged it...

 

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ha ha ha - Just rang Welcome to see out of interest how much was outstanding on my account and after 2 years and 3 months of paying £190 per month I have just gone under the original amount I borrowed by £59!!!

 

So all the past 26 months have been is interest and crappy PPI that I can't ever claim on!!

 

How conned do I feel? -------> VERY!!

 

Though the man I spoke to did cheer me up a bit and reaffirm my belief about Welcome employees when I gave him my postcode and he said "Is that N for Sugar!!!!" LMAO

 

You're not alone. I borrowed £1500 in Nov 05 and after paying a total of £1999.53 back to them, my balance is - £1793.42.......go figure! :mad:

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Glad to give an opinion if you want me to but you will have to tell me where the agreementis is,i am a stranger around hear just followed my friend postpagg in

Peter

 

Hi peter if you get chance to look at this at your leisure it would be appreciated... im beging to go round and round in circles now lol

 

thanks.

 

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Sorry biddy it seems to check out

APR calculates to 27.588%

 

All charges seem to be in there correct places.

 

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So what happens if the apr and the interest per anum on agreement don't add up.......... Apr 30.7% Interest Per Anum 15%, So if the Interest Per Anum is 15% Shouldnt the APR be 30% or if the APR is 30.7% the shouldnt the interest per anum be 15.35%, doing the calculations they have used the 15% per anum so doesn't that make my APR out by .7%?????????????????????

 

I also wrote and complained about the interest on the acceptance fee and i was told that none had been charged, so if it is a corect practice why didn't they just write back to me and say that they are allowed to do this, but Mr Palmer asked for further evidence that i wish to rely on, which i have now sent.... But no reply

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Hi Peter,

 

Could you check that - I have a rock solid case for PPI and am in court with them at the moment - thought I had them for unenforcable agreement but with what you wrote about interest on acceptance fee being ok I doubt it now. Can you double check for me either way please?

 

Also out of interest can I put the agreement into dispute whilst the PPI case goes through??

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So what happens if the apr and the interest per anum on agreement don't add up.......... Apr 30.7% Interest Per Anum 15%,

 

I also wrote and complained about the interest on the acceptance fee and i was told that none had been charged, so if it is a corect practice why didn't they just write back to me and say that they are allowed to do this, but Mr Palmer asked for further evidence that i wish to rely on, which i have now sent.... But no reply

 

The interst and the apr are not directly reliant on each other nor can you calculate one using a value from the other.

Flat rate or standard Interest is calculaed using

Total credit ,total repayment time, and total amount of interest.

 

APR uses: total ampunt of credit , periods of payment, amounts of individual payments and charges that make up the total charge for credit(interest and other charges and fees).

 

Peter

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i originallyh in a moment of madness took out a car loan with wcf in feb 07 at £367 for 4 years and charged me 10.5k for a car not worth half that

in dec 07 my account manager restructured the loan for me as i had been made redundant through illness but wasnt covered on the insurance

the new loan is at £161 over 7 years which has been paid until now when ive found myself redundant yet again and find the modified loan has no insurances and is infact according to the statements i have been sent a home improvement loan

the office states its ahp agreement and head office say its a improvement loan so im very confused

they are threatening to remove the car at the end of the month but surely if its a home improvement loan its not attached to the car

 

the office wont agree even to reduce payments for 3 months there seems to be no leeway at all with them

 

any help or advice much appreciated

 

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Hi Biddy

just as an afterthought the agrement mentions medicare insurance this would have to be optional if the agreement was to be correctly executed and thus enforceable

 

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hi

i originallyh in a moment of madness took out a car loan with wcf in feb 07 at £367 for 4 years and charged me 10.5k for a car not worth half that

in dec 07 my account manager restructured the loan for me as i had been made redundant through illness but wasnt covered on the insurance

the new loan is at £161 over 7 years which has been paid until now when ive found myself redundant yet again and find the modified loan has no insurances and is infact according to the statements i have been sent a home improvement loan

the office states its ahp agreement and head office say its a improvement loan so im very confused

they are threatening to remove the car at the end of the month but surely if its a home improvement loan its not attached to the car

 

the office wont agree even to reduce payments for 3 months there seems to be no leeway at all with them

 

any help or advice much appreciated

 

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HI

Do yu still have both agrements?

 

Sounds very dodgy

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I may sound a little confused here but is this a free for all post, just new to the site so not sure, i have BIG problems with WF as well, so i am finding all this intersting reading,,

Caroline aka Jacksi

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Hi Yes I Have Both Agreements Still

 

Any Suggestions Cab Said It Wasnt Their Area Of Expertise And To Talk To Wcf Office So Going Round In Circles

 

The thing that stands out is that your insurance did not cover you....did you try claiming or did they just tell you that in the office?

 

You have possibly paid a lot for a policy that was always useless!

Dipply75

 

I am in no way a legal advisor and only speak from my own experiences and the helpful advice of those in the same boat! :p

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