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Well it depends on alot of things really...will agreeing a settlement and washing your hands of them get rid of all those defaults on your credit file...

 

If you have a valid claim and you know you have why settle for second best. Have they ever given you an easy route out (until now)

 

What does that tell you about them...

 

Same with me, Why so keen to pick up my car on V.T, and why all of a sudden all this fuss contacting me and allocating me a "complaints co-ordinator" and following up with a "complaints letter" that included a little brochure from the financial ombudsman.

 

There on the ropes

 

Post ggi and andie 303 seeing to that...

 

I personally am prepared to let them default my credit file while i fight this and thats sickening considering its the first time in 6 years i've been able to get a credit card...

 

I could also get the vehicle i currently owe 6K on for 2K on a settlement and walk away with the car which i could part ex and get £4500 towards cost of a new one so i am in excellent position to just dissapear...

 

But like those t-shirts used to say.... FCUK them...

 

Am Not Going Anywhere Till The Fat Lady Starts Wailing

 

GIVE THEM HELL, DONT GIVE IN, EXCEPT NO SUBSTITUTE

They want your car...reason they can take it to some Spiv at Auction and make a few quid to swell up the Cattles closing down hardship fund

 

Let em burn !!!

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the thing is

if welcome would have been straight with me and sorted out my problems, i would not now be on the forum, like most people.

i had to take them to court just to get them to acknowledge any of my letters

 

all the dodgy dealings

 

the ALLEDGED fraud

share manipulation

 

this could go on and on but you get the picture

 

they played the hard ball game and lost

because of welcomes tacticts, its bringing down a ftse 250 company

 

mind you

ive no doubt it was all done with the blessing of the cattles board,

they were content on the bonus cheques

 

people now will not take being ripped off for granted, they fight back

 

your biz model now belongs in the stone age and you are now on the verge of being extinct

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Hi all,

 

Been reading these posts and can't believe how many ppl have been done by wfs. Obviously I am one of them. Just wondered after reading all of these how I stand.

 

Have sent off my SAR letter bout 2 wks ago, not been making full payments on my loan with welcome (have a letter from them stating £*** every month is acceptable) however they have defaulted my credit file 6 times and are hounding me for payments. they are wanting me to go back to original payments and I seriously can't afford it as possible redundancy looming.

 

Can anyone advise best course of action. Not received anything back from them except requesting the £10 payment for documentation which I have paid on 30/6. How long do I wait before doing anything else.

 

Please help, thanks

 

lolly1977,

Tell them to stop hassling you. With that letter they agreed to your payment so they can't change it. If it was me I would also tell them they are lucky getting that much and that you will be trying to agree a lesser next week.

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Well it depends on alot of things really...will agreeing a settlement and washing your hands of them get rid of all those defaults on your credit file...

 

If you have a valid claim and you know you have why settle for second best. Have they ever given you an easy route out (until now)

 

What does that tell you about them...

 

Same with me, Why so keen to pick up my car on V.T, and why all of a sudden all this fuss contacting me and allocating me a "complaints co-ordinator" and following up with a "complaints letter" that included a little brochure from the financial ombudsman.

 

There on the ropes

 

Post ggi and andie 303 seeing to that...

 

I personally am prepared to let them default my credit file while i fight this and thats sickening considering its the first time in 6 years i've been able to get a credit card...

 

I could also get the vehicle i currently owe 6K on for 2K on a settlement and walk away with the car which i could part ex and get £4500 towards cost of a new one so i am in excellent position to just dissapear...

 

But like those t-shirts used to say.... FCUK them...

 

Am Not Going Anywhere Till The Fat Lady Starts Wailing

 

GIVE THEM HELL, DONT GIVE IN, EXCEPT NO SUBSTITUTE

thanks for reply i havent got any default or anything like that my ppi is with fos but thats a previous loan not this one i am not behind with payments but i think i will hang on

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hang on for just a little longer

when cattles goes belly up, they will bite your hand off at any settlement figure

its in your interest to hold out

 

i am going to give cattles two more weeks max

 

the regulator and companies house will not stand for much more

cheers post i think i will hang on c what happens i rang yesteday for a settlement but could not give me one problems with system lol:D:D

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For those of you that didn't see on the other thread - I sent a letter to Cattles basically voicing concerns that when I win my case are they going to have the money to pay up as they are obviously in dire straits.

 

Would they provide me with assurance or idemnity that my claim should it be successful would be paid - their answer was NO!!

 

Tells it all really - they will not have enough insurance to cover all the bad claims if they go down - so those of you that have stuff in the pipeline be aware!

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lolly1977,

Tell them to stop hassling you. With that letter they agreed to your payment so they can't change it. If it was me I would also tell them they are lucky getting that much and that you will be trying to agree a lesser next week.

 

 

Thanks EBOY,

 

the most annoying thing is I am honouring my end of the bargain. This loan was originally a secured loan on my house, sold that house in 2006 and have struggled with payments yet they hsven't even changed paperwork from secured loan to unsecured as it is no longer secured on any property cos I don't own any.

 

Frustrating isn't the word

 

Lolly:confused:

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For those of you that didn't see on the other thread - I sent a letter to Cattles basically voicing concerns that when I win my case are they going to have the money to pay up as they are obviously in dire straits.

 

Would they provide me with assurance or idemnity that my claim should it be successful would be paid - their answer was NO!!

 

Tells it all really - they will not have enough insurance to cover all the bad claims if they go down - so those of you that have stuff in the pipeline be aware!

surely the people who take them over should cover this is this not correct

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what does concern me is welcome trying to repo cars now without court orders...they wont be around for any compensation claims etc....

 

what do you think??

I think the best advice would be sit on the cars, no court order no car simple, they seem to be desperately snatching cars back left right and centre....thank christ i never had one of their wrecks, but if i had one right now id be parking it up where they cant find it, because Welcome are on life support and its not gonna be long till they turn off the machine !!

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surely the people who take them over should cover this is this not correct

 

I don't really know I would imagine PPI claims etc no as it is not them that sold it therefore I doubt they can be held liable.

 

When it comes to bad agreements I assume the new owners would be stuck with those and wouldn't be able to do anything about it....

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out of interest - what happened to those that have cars from Welcome Car Finance - are people paying a company that effectively does not exist anymore???

That is the million dollar question Andie...What is going to happen ? Who picks up the pieces ? Obviously administration initially then what ? loans etc sold off to lovely helpfull DCA's ?

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evening al

 

just seen this on the cattles discussion board

 

seems our continued pressure on ppi is starting to upset quite a few people

KEEP IT UP

 

 

ets face it un suspention of the shares is pointless anyway the shares aren't worth the paper they are printed on ctt will most likely never make a profit again thee bad debt inside wfs is far worse than first expected £700 in extra provisioning is as at end of dec 08 there will be far more provisioning required for the period since then no matter what has been said everyone inside wfs knows that bad debt has got far worse since then and with no new lending since end of jan (almost none) the bad debt percentage must be well into the 50 if not fast approaching 60% mark ctt owe approx £2.8bill best way bad debt is 50% of £3.2bill even if it all pays back in the future (which it won't) then we would be £1.2bill short thats without all the PPI misale claims which we are currently stalling on and claims on un-enforceability of loans, unfair charges etc. Face it, its a case of collecting as much back in the next 3-6months to pay back as much of what we owe as possible then wind it down. Anyone that works in WFS operations should have realised that Wednesday when the new blueprint came out

As this post says they are stalling on everything complaints, unfair charges and ppi's. Therefore I feel it's only fair that I stall on payments. It is unbelievable given that poor customer service and dishonesty got them into this mess that they continue follow the same lines. I know if I pay them anymore I won't get any refunds that are due therefore I have to take preventative measures.

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As this post says they are stalling on everything complaints, unfair charges and ppi's. Therefore I feel it's only fair that I stall on payments. It is unbelievable given that poor customer service and dishonesty got them into this mess that they continue allow the same lines. I know if I pay them anymore I won't get any refunds that are due therefore I have to take preventative measures.

 

 

That's what I'm thinking - but if I default ( I already have 3 months missing payments), where do I stand? I want to keep the car - I got lucky and got a sweet car!

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I don't what I would do in your situation. I only have an unsecured loan. I am pretty sure they have messed up my credit rating long ago. I just hope that this week will decide their future. Perhaps when it comes to your next payment cattles will be no more.

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this has just been posted on the cattles share trading forum

 

says it all

 

Looks like cattles are history now. I can't tell how much I have lost here, but this is the worst possible attitude and approach by the company's management of keeping things in the hiding and not being open and honest to their share holders. They have not come out with a single damn thing about what they are doing. It is extremely frustrating and a feeling of utter incapacitation. I wish and hope that they would be brought to justice in one way or the other.

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this has just been posted on the cattles share trading forum

 

says it all

 

Looks like cattles are history now. I can't tell how much I have lost here, but this is the worst possible attitude and approach by the company's management of keeping things in the hiding and not being open and honest to their share holders. They have not come out with a single damn thing about what they are doing. It is extremely frustrating and a feeling of utter incapacitation. I wish and hope that they would be brought to justice in one way or the other.

ooops !!!:D

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