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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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I'vejsut had a 40 minute conversation him - he's gonna interview me on record later this week - coming to my house and everything - gosh I better tidy up :eek:

 

 

Why ain't it better if look a mess that way you looks the part........ nudge nudge wink;) wink;)

 

Seriously though well done. Perhaps you could point a few more of Welcomes victims (sorry customers) in his direction:D

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someone phoned me the other day left message on mobile i phoned back today but she not there and left no message on system to want she wanted so dont know he said to me did u want to settle your loan i said yes please how much i owe he said 7400 i said how can that b it was only 7200 to start with oh yes he said i dont know then :-|

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I'vejsut had a 40 minute conversation him - he's gonna interview me on record later this week - coming to my house and everything - gosh I better tidy up :eek:

 

Andie you really put a smile on my face sometimes!!!

 

Perhaps we need to bombard this gent!

 

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Dear all,

 

I'm a reporter for Bloomberg News, a financial news service, covering Welcome Finance's parent company Cattles. We are writing an article about the company's history and lending practices. We have spoken to analysts in the City, employees and the company itself but would very much like to hear about customers' experiences.

 

If you can spare a few minutes to tell me your story, please give me a ring on 020 7073 3304 during office hours or 07940 951554 at other times. My email address is [email protected]. If you're not comfortable speaking to me, then please send on my details to any other customers you know.

 

Many thanks,

 

Kevin Crowley

 

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just found this on mse

 

Im going to be calling him in the morning. I have a few bits to add to this whole mess we have become to know as welcome.

 

If I can dig the knife in just that little deeper then why the F not!

 

And Ive got all the documents to back up my case. From crap needs and demands statments to crap rebates on PPI, oh better not forget my statement of price.

 

 

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Evening all, popping and spotted this little eyebrow raiser.....bloomberg eh? Let the real truth come out, no just moans and gossip, we all hav solid proof :D

 

Cattles cannot pretend to have been THAT misled or unaware after all this comes out. Those 3 wee monkeys wer very good at their jobs!

 

And I'll be damned if any of my taxes will be used to bail out that goddam company :mad:

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I am in no way a legal advisor and only speak from my own experiences and the helpful advice of those in the same boat! :p

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Hi Andie - yes, pm'd you btw! And, um, who are they kidding lol? I bet you could not wait to phone mr bloomberg, hope he is suplying the choccie bics when he comes to see our proof as he will b there a while ;)

 

Hi Stewie, been out avatar shopping again, lovin it! Looking forward to whatever you have brewing hehe, puttng my own case together now, wanna play too.

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I am in no way a legal advisor and only speak from my own experiences and the helpful advice of those in the same boat! :p

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Yup been hopping around a bit. I was made redundant last week. Huge blow to the system for me! Been with the same company since leaving school.

 

Massive kick in the nuts to say the least!

 

Im in the process of discussing a exit package with the company (hence my absence) and once thats done, I will have a bit of time on my hands.

 

So Andie what kind of questions did Mr Bloomberg ask? Will he be interested in what I have to offer?

 

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did you know when you signed for the loan about the brokers fee

 

no all of the loan was done through the post and not one mention about the fee on the couple of calls we had,although we did do it through a broker who came back with welcome as a company who wuld give us a loan,if only we knew then what we know know about welcome wouldn't of touched them with a barge pole! what does this mean?

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hi site team - if one of you drops in any chance you can delete my quote from post #4768 as Traz is not online?

 

i've been asked to remove some things and would like to honour that request if possible?

 

 

 

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Yup been hopping around a bit. I was made redundant last week. Huge blow to the system for me! Been with the same company since leaving school.

 

Massive kick in the nuts to say the least!

 

Im in the process of discussing a exit package with the company (hence my absence) and once thats done, I will have a bit of time on my hands.

 

So Andie what kind of questions did Mr Bloomberg ask? Will he be interested in what I have to offer?

 

Stewie

 

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he's basically doing a viewpoint from all angles I think and thats why he is asking to speak with employees, shareholders and customers.

It's not gonna be all about Welcome it's I think going to be about the broader picture.

It's a financial paper so is not going to be a lets get Welcome piece - I think easiest way to say it is factually based from all sides of the arguement.

If you have something to say call him or email him - the only way to find it if he is interested.

But if you're main aim is a lets bash Welcome rant - probably not the best organisation to do it with.

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andie please disabuse him of the notion that it's because of feckless consumers that we are in this mess............ it ain't

 

Ask him would he like to do a piece on the scandal that is securitization cos believe me whilst Welcome is large dark hole about to be illuminated this is much much bigger & affects everyone in not only this country but around the World

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I have just spoke to Kevin from Blomberg and he phoning back for more infomation about WF tomorrow. He asked me what i thought of the company i was polite when i replied.

To anyone wondering contact him the more he gets the bigger picture he can build.

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he's basically doing a viewpoint from all angles I think and thats why he is asking to speak with employees, shareholders and customers.

It's not gonna be all about Welcome it's I think going to be about the broader picture.

It's a financial paper so is not going to be a lets get Welcome piece - I think easiest way to say it is factually based from all sides of the arguement.

If you have something to say call him or email him - the only way to find it if he is interested.

But if you're main aim is a lets bash Welcome rant - probably not the best organisation to do it with.

 

Slagging isnt going to get us anywhere, facts are what count.

 

I will call tomorrow. I have a bit of history in the media side of things. I know what they are like. They can show 8 sides to a two sided coin.

 

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