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Well done Bankavenger. Would have spread some lurve but have done too much in the last 24 hrs and it wont let me !!

 

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This is the one where he attempts to re-write the Limitations Act I presume..take a look at the draft proposal and some comments here and make up your own minds.

 

Not impressed myself, so far.

 

 

I agree, there is a deathly wall of silence around this project. I received an e mail from a CAG member this morning and posted on the other thread. http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/108220-fsa-review-waiver-14.html

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Yep I do :) - I'm one of the last Sandgrownun's having been born at the Queen Victoria Hospital before they closed down the Maternity unit and moved it to Lancaster

 

My exact place of birth as well. What secondary school did you go to?

I went to MGS ( now Morecambe High school I believe)

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Cheers to those who have signed my petition.

 

I've still not heard back from any of the MPs or Lords I wrote to - and the same thing happened last time I sent them a letter - maybe they just don't like me! (Or know who i voted for!!!)

 

Peter

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Have patience Peter - it's a numbers game ;)

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This is the message I have received from Cllr Linda Williams (didn’t really know whether local councillors had any clout, but thought it wouldn’t hurt to send it to them as well).

 

 

Dear xxxxxx

You have my full support as I think that the whole situation is iniquitous

and the banking world will try to ensure that they carry on making the

obscene levels of profit in one way or another.

 

 

Linda Williams

 

I also received this today from Steve Marshall.

 

]Dear xxxxxxx

 

thank you for your letter

 

]The basic issue seems to be the need for a definitive ruling on whether or not the charges are unlawful. In principle, the banks cannot be expected to behave as if a ruling exists, until it does

 

However, in situations where the economic power on one side of an argument is vastly disproportional to that on the other, there is a real possibility of injustice occurring simply as a result of the time taken, and I will certainly make this point to the appropriate authorities

 

As far as the Human Rights dimension is concerned, it is the UK Act which is relevant at present. There can be no recourse to the European Court until all stages of the UK process have been exhausted. To achieve this you would need access to specialist legal advice, so the best approach is undoubtedly via one of the pressure groups established to help people take on the banks

 

The Court, incidentally, is not an EU institution, but depends on the Council of Europe. Britain’s adherence to the Convention came via the Council of Europe, and pre-dates our entry into the EU

 

Steve Marshall

Casework Officer to Andrew Duff

Liberal Democrat MEP to the East of England

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Fantastic stuff Jules! :D:D:D:D:D

Brilliant Response. Suggest you give them 2 weeks and follow up with a request for progress ;)

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Just received the following encouraging reply from a researcher to Evan Harris. Does anyone have a link to the Times article? Let's keep the pressure on!

 

Muggy

 

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Dear Richard,

 

I shall bring the matter to the attention of Dr Harris. Your letter makes an excellent case for the bank customers. Could you send me a copy of the article from The Times 27/07 which you refer to – if you are unable to do this I could try and find it myself.

 

Yours,

 

Nat"

 

Link to article Watchdog accuses banks of lying over charges - Times Online

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Thanks Julie. Lets keep plugging away.

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This is all excellent stuff - and really positive responses so far.

 

The important thing - and I would suggest to MacBoy et al - is stage two replies to these offers of allegiance, support or forwarding to officials.

 

If someone could look at a second follow up letter that can be sent to the MP/MEP asking how things have progressed, what the general thought in the houses are, and whether the government, in particular, the Treasury department, have made any statements either way about the FSA decisions.

 

Once momentum has been generated the important thing is keeping it going.

 

These names (the goodies as I will call them!); would it be possible to get a list of those people together. These are now our allies, and with any luck can be brought together to fight our cause!

 

The local councillor is interesting as well - they are much more 'on the ground' people, but have access to MPs and decision makers, so again worth a prod.

 

well done chaps and chapettes - keep up the good work!

 

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If Macboy is in agreement, if we receive a reply from an MP, Local councillor or MP that agree with our cause, we could PM him the details for a list to be compliled.

 

I wasnt sure whether local councillors had an clout, but it might we worth lobbying them aswell. the more the merrier in our corner I say.

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I think with the locals, it's more they are the type of people that go to annual conferences, and so have the opportunity to bring our plights up!

 

If I remember rightly, we enter conference season very shortly (Sept/Oct?) and we only need a small lobby of MPs and councillors to start making something into a big fuss!

 

Peter

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Just post the details on here I will pick them up. I have already prepared a tracking spreadsheet; not only to record who we write, but to denote follow-ups and commitments too. I'm also working on building in stats - so we might see some naming and shaming charts & graphs; including responses by party (which would be interesting!).

 

I just need to start filling it up!

 

As for drafting a follow-up letter - this is a simple enough task for someone else to do - I'm busy enough as it is! Volunteers please?

 

 

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This has just been posted, looks like the cases at southend are all going to be stayed (as per my letter received last week0, so my order wont be far away in the post.

 

if the judge has used his own initiative to stay the claims i cannot see that he will lift the stays, if people do object.

 

 

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Through the post this morning from Southend Court

 

Upon Proceedings having been issued in the High Court to determine the legality or otherwise of Bank Charges;

 

Before District Judge Dudley sitting at Southend County Court at Tylers House, etc.

 

An Upon it to the Court that this claim will be affected by the outcome of those proceedings;

IT IS ORDERED THAT

 

1. This claim be stayed until determination of the proceedings in the High Court.

2. Liberty to either party to apply on notice under CPR23 to lift the stay

3. The hearing of any application to lift the stay be reserved to District Judge Dudley

 

This order was made of the courts own initiave pursuant to CPR Part 3.3(4). You may apply to set aside, vary or stay Order but such application mustbe made within 7 days of receiving it.

 

 

Comments please, one and all, seems I got the first Southend Letter again.

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here are mine then so far

 

Tom Wise

UK Independence Party MEP for the Eastern Region

 

Cllr Linda Williams (lib dem for basildon)

 

 

Steve Marshall

Casework Officer to Andrew Duff

Liberal Democrat MEP to the East of England

 

NOTE 2 ARE LIB DEMS.

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I've just published an open letter to the CAG Management Team in the 'General' forum. Please send everyone you know to see it.

 

Thanks

Mac

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Thank you as ever Kenny - your support is much appreciated and welcomed :)

Go and read it before it gets taken down :lol:

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Thanks for doing that Mac. I have read the thread and posted a reply that endorses everything you say.

 

Cheers.

 

Muggy.

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I've just published an open letter to the CAG Management Team in the 'General' forum. Please send everyone you know to see it.

 

Thanks

Mac

 

Great Post Mate

 

I notice that they are going to move your thread now,

but still no mention of support there!!!

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If you wish we can tidy this thread to make it easier to follow. So if the OP edits the first post with the diffinitive list of MP's contacted and any response, I will remove the other posts.

Let me know via Pm if you wish to do this, the send me the post numbers you want removing.

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