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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
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Hi everyone, found this forum so thought to request if anyone with more knowledge about bailiffs can help me out here please...

Basically i am in the middle of disputing a parking fine with local council and waiting for an appeal hearing date from county court but bailiffs acting on behalf of council has towed away my car 4:30am in the morning whilst everyone was asleep and not able to stop them. They now saying they will sell my car in auction with few days and i am running out of time.

My car is also used for my disable brother who needs 24/7 mobility but bailiffs wont take that in consideration to return the car even though i told them i'm also waiting for courts decision. The council wont help either & saying to deal with the bailiffs myself and i am totally stuck so can someone please help and advise as to what i can do to get the car back...PLEASE HELP!! :(

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Firstly I would call the council that you have the parking fine with and let them know. I dont know the answer straight away but I am almost positive that they have acted incorrectly especially if it is due to go to court that I thnk should suspend any action against you -

 

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first of all thanks for your post. I did speak to the managers in council but they wont do much and saying they cant help and dont have any influence to release the car and i need to take it up with bailiffs...!! :(

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Another example of a local authority keeping their hands firmly behind their backs.....they should accept responsibility.

 

IMMEDAITELY telephone the Traffic Enforcement Centre at Northampton. Their telephone number is: 0845 704 5007

 

Explain the situation to them, they can advise today if you should file an "out of time" Statutory Declaration.If so, this can be e-mailed to you.You will need to arrange to have it sworn which could be a problem today....you may have to wait until next Tuesday. Try to ring ASAP.

 

Good Luck, and let us all know how you get on.

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Thanks for the post Herbie. I also have done the statutory form and the appeal form which is why i am waiting for the court hearing date and also asked Northampton Enforcement people but they said they dont get involved in this type of case so this is not helping either....not having much luck and seems like i will have to pay bailiffs which i didnt wanna do cos i dont know if i'll get my money back if the case goes in my favour. well thanks for advice and i'll keep you updated....

send more advice & suggestions please!!!

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Again, the account was in dispute. The OP is contesting the decision. Again, the bailiffs have jumped the gun, and they are going to pay for it in the end when the OP gets her car back.

 

You also advocate taking a vehicle which is needed by a disabled person? Yes, that does nothing to dispel the stereotype of bailiffs whatsoever..not really surprised by your callous attitude though.

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The council's line that they can't do anything about the bailiffs is utter tosh, by the way. The bailiffs are the agents of the council; the council is responsible for their actions. You need to get down in person to the council yourself with all documents relating to both the seizure and the appeal. Make a noise until you're seen and remind them that they cannot collect on an account that has been disputed until the dispute has been resolved. Remind them also that they are responsible for the bailiffs' actions and that they will be named as co-defendant in any action that you may need to take if this is not resolved quickly.

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The car belongs to the sister of a disabled person. So do many others, because you may have a disabled second cousins wife it doesn't mean a thing, but again people are disputing fines when the bailiffs come! odd that.

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bennyg13 you have inferred something there that is not in the OP's explanation of events, i.e. that the OP only disputed the fine once the bailiffs became involved. Please be careful when judging a situation when you do not yet have all the necessary facts.

 

The fact that the bailiffs have taken the car before the final appeal is both morally wrong and, in my opinion, unlawful. If the OP is to be found innocent in all of this then they will still have lost the use of the car through no fault of their own.

 

The need to use the car for a disabled person may not affect the legal position but it affects the moral position. If the parking case is won then I would be writing a nice long story for the local press and the local MP to ensure this doesn't happen again.

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To give bennyg13 the respect due to him, his job isn't to be kind to people, but to collect on accounts passed to him. Also, he has almost been technically correct in what he has said (so far).

 

However, he does seem to be getting a lot of people upset. He's a bailiff and clearly not posting in order to give advice. Fair enough, that's his choice. Fellow CAGers, perhaps it's time not to rise to the bait and if you disagree with this person's posts - ignore them. Unless they need to be referred to a MOD because of the usual reasons, my advice is to do what I do with my kids when they're trying to wind me up and attention seek - IGNORE THEM.

 

I must admit, i've actually been laughing myself silly at his posts - and I bet he has at the replies. Unless it's a technical point which is worth debating, I'm simply going to converse with those who have something relevant to say. i would suggest you all do the same.

 

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Hi all,

Im new here and so far have learnt loads of interesting stuff,

I am a courier and i sometimes get the odd parking ticket. these are usually anulled once i prove that i was doing a legitimate delivery.......i am now in the situation where i followed all of the usual procedures and chased everything ,but just been ignored.....I have had possession notices stuck all over my van while parked outside my house,and the same stuff shoved through my letterbox.....i have been threatened with arrest ifi move the van.......so i have moved the van......can a baillif just walk onto my drive and take possesion of my work vehicle ??????

Any help will be greatly appreciated..

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Your thread was hijacked a couple of times and your story has got lost... I for one would like to know how things are transpiring and look forward to an update from you.

 

You might like to look at my threads in this section for a longer term view - you can beat these people.

 

First, the bailiffs can only execute a court warrant. How can there be a court warrant if you're still waiting for a court date?

 

Second, they are supposed to write to you first, letting you know the case is with them and asking you to settle.

 

Third, they need to be certificated by a court, and to show you their licence on request. They also need to put their licence number on any documentation, but this might only be if they're members of ACEA (see that website) which regulates bailiff companies.

 

Fourth, I know from experience that the parking enforcement managers can instruct the bailiffs to back off and can deal with you over the debt.

 

If you have complained to the council in writing, and got no joy, you can contact the local government ombudsman (lgo.org.uk, I think). I was also writing to the bailiffs asking for precise breakdowns of their costs, and calling all parties to have conversations about how this all works.

 

Not all councils will be the same, and there are a variety of bailiff companies, fortunately I was able to do business with both agencies involved in my case but I have read posts here about some that are no better than criminals.

It sounds like this lot stole your car, by the way. I would have phoned the police immediately.

good Luck! Come back to us! :-)

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You MUST read the Watcher's thread in this bailiffs section "Police getting clued up at last?" It gives you the law about how bailiffs must conduct themselves and what your rights are. All police regions should issue similar guidance.

Happy reading!:-)

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hello everyone !!!!!!This im pleased to say....I am one of the hunted!!!I have a company [bristow sutor] theres a surprise i hear you say !!! after me,For a bill the tenent left me! in 1999 I thought id cleared the matter up 6 years ago [they lost or have memorie of it] funny that. now there at my door again!!! Ihave actually just been FORCE into bankruptcy for this very bill [NOT MINE] the women knoking at the door yesterday told me it dosent count ,when phoning insolvency co this morning the lady said it does make things difficalt and to keep windows and doors locked and dont let them in and to phone council? have i not just gone bankrupt for this very reason as i have no money no job no privercy no rights!!! but i have to laugh the women ways tryin her hardest to come in AND STILL I SAID NO!!!when i told her politly to go away she comes back 10 mins later with seizer notice for my lanlords van saying neighbours think its my van. Umm i dont drive u silly women no license. IM BEING JUST AS IGNORANT AS IVE BEEN TREATED NOW... i will not be bullied by any organisation!!!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME!!!!!!!Oh and sorry to all my neighbours who now know im bankrupt dont worrie my landlord served me notice

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