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Hehehe yep, but on the same road there's this: Robinson Way, Cambridge

That's what they'll be doing once you have finished with them Dave ;)

 

Bloody hell I love Google.

 

About 3 pages in and I run across a nice little annual report for our friends.

You need power point for this one: http://www.lsb-investor.com/londonscottish/uploads/reports/2006PreliminaryAnnouncement-WEBSITEVERSION2-March20062.ppt

 

This is the crud version: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:A9fhgeZH7CsJ:www.lsb-investor.com/londonscottish/uploads/reports/2006PreliminaryAnnouncement-WEBSITEVERSION2-March20062.ppt+%22robinson+Way%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=27&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

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Just read this thread from start to finish.............absolutely loved it.......laughed out loud several times it was so funny!:)

 

One thing I don't understand though.....why are you bothered about the possibility of court action??

a) small claims court = no costs for defendant other than issuing fee

b) Wilson & Others v Secretary of State for Trade & Industry (2005) is a House of Lords ruling that says effectively that if there is no enforceable CCA produced then the Claimant can not enforce the debt through ordinary contract law. i.e no cca = no money at all. This ruling is binding on all lower courts.

 

So why offer them anything??

 

Also you've only paid under duress becaus eof the continuous threats of litigation, bankruptcy, wrecked credit rating etc and because they had fraudulently given you to understand that they had authority for the debt............................

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Hehehe yep, but on the same road there's this: Robinson Way, Cambridge

That's what they'll be doing once you have finished with them Dave ;)

 

Bloody hell I love Google.

 

About 3 pages in and I run across a nice little annual report for our friends.

You need power point for this one: http://www.lsb-investor.com/londonscottish/uploads/reports/2006PreliminaryAnnouncement-WEBSITEVERSION2-March20062.ppt

 

This is the crud version: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:A9fhgeZH7CsJ:www.lsb-investor.com/londonscottish/uploads/reports/2006PreliminaryAnnouncement-WEBSITEVERSION2-March20062.ppt+%22robinson+Way%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=27&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

Oh dear with the strength of CAG looks like some of the Directors will be seeking alternative forms of employment. Think of all those £400 cheques Robberscum Way will be writing to the FOS:D

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An update.....

 

Obviously, the guy who 'phoned on Tuesday was fishing for how to proceed next...

 

Friday, 'nother begging letter in a blue stripey envelope! :rolleyes:

 

Horwich Farrelly Solicitors (Registered office; LSH, Mount Street, Mcr!)

 

Court action may be taken in 7 days...

 

So, I think tt's letter again and a DP cease and desist notice..

 

Also going to look at actually reporting them to the FC branch of HM Treasury as well as their solicitors on Monday morning.

 

Will scan it all up in the week, been having dreadful broadband prob's over the weekend! :mad:

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Thanks CB, decided against the s10 notice just yet, see what's sent back using the civil procedure rules.

 

Just finished letter (tt8's civil procedure rules letter), anyone think I should put a CAG sticker on the envelope for the first time???!

 

Seems that Horwich Farrelly have a proper address of their own too, when RW&C aren't "borrowing" their name! Don't see Consumer Credit as being one of their specialities either!

 

Can't really post web link, will get told off for commercial link! But if you add .co.uk to the end of their name.......... ;)

 

Will update fully after it's been signed for..

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I don't see why you wouldn't want them to know you're a CAGer. Heck, you're probably THE CAGer by now... After all, you are taking on the world, or at least the DCA portion of it:):)

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I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

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I love Google Earth!! :D

 

It's getting better every week! It won't be long before you can see the employee's faces through the windows, and that's another idea i've been thinking about whilst on me travels with me trusty Ilford Sportsman!!! (Complete with original brown leather cases & original accessories!)

 

Anyway, i'm digressing again! Gotta say Mr Robinson, your Salford office looks like the trading estate toilets! :eek:

 

m50-2zy.jpg

 

Has no-one come to work today?? Or is this just an artists impression of employment levels in 3 months time, thanks to the CAG...?

 

Ohhh you've got to laugh!!! :lol: (Haven't you?!)

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If you google the postcode

 

Number of hits

 

4,280 for m50 2zy

 

Examples

 

 

 

Telford Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Telford, M50 2ZY

 

Slough Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Slough, M50 2ZY

 

Southampton Credit & Finance CompaniesCarolina Way, , Southampton, M50 2ZY

 

North Baddesley Loans & Debt - ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , North Baddesley, M50 2ZY

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf

 

Some people might consider it criminal.

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e.g

 

1 Fraud

(1) A person is guilty of fraud if he is in breach of any of the sections listed in

subsection (2) (which provide for different ways of committing the offence).

(2) The sections are—

(a) section 2 (fraud by false representation),

(b) section 3 (fraud by failing to disclose information), and

© section 4 (fraud by abuse of position).

(3) A person who is guilty of fraud is liable—

(a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12

months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum (or to both);

(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding

10 years or to a fine (or to both).

(4) Subsection (3)(a) applies in relation to Northern Ireland as if the reference to 12

months were a reference to 6 months.

2 Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

B

2 Fraud Act 2006 (c. 35)

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a

representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it

(or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device

designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without

human intervention).

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If you google the postcode

 

Number of hits

 

4,280 for m50 2zy

 

Examples

 

 

 

Telford Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Telford, M50 2ZY

 

Slough Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Slough, M50 2ZY

 

Southampton Credit & Finance CompaniesCarolina Way, , Southampton, M50 2ZY

 

North Baddesley Loans & Debt - ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , North Baddesley, M50 2ZY

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf

 

Some people might consider it criminal.

 

I do understand what you're getting at CAS, but I think you'll find that they're possibly the number of different bussiness's listed for that postcode. Salford Trading Standards have already told me (voice telephone call) that the postcode in question (M50 2ZY) is merely a mail drop... There's probably dozens of bussiness's having their mail sent there...

 

Robinson, Way & Co's mail is redirected from there... To their Mount Street, Manchester address...

 

Nice bit of tracking though ;)

 

Regards, Dave.

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If you google the postcode

 

Number of hits

 

4,280 for m50 2zy

 

Examples

 

 

 

Telford Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Telford, M50 2ZY

 

Slough Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Slough, M50 2ZY

 

Southampton Credit & Finance CompaniesCarolina Way, , Southampton, M50 2ZY

 

North Baddesley Loans & Debt - ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , North Baddesley, M50 2ZY

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf

 

Some people might consider it criminal.

Its times like this you wonder when the RAF are having their next Tornado GR1 Boot sale

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The key point is that the letters sent are intended to imply that the boys live around the corner. ( False representation)
False representation an DCAs go together like Morcombe and Wise

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Just had a call!! "I'm from HF Sol's!", Sounds more like Robinson Ways office to me luv!!

 

Anyway, lots of stern talk from some girl sounding about 19 (I usually have to pay for that! LOL!!) telling me that the creditor had authorised legal action and do I really want that....? Ohh, and in the meantime they're now pepared to accept £400 to end this matter (it was £1100 when I stopped paying!).

 

Funny stuff too... They do not have to provide copies of agreements because I would have got one when the account was opened..... And they don't have to abide by the OFT's reg's for debt collection because it's basically their choice given the circumstances!!

 

Kept talking over her too which wound her up no end. And she ended the call by contradicting herself by saying she was passing it back to the creditor for immediate legal action!!

 

Nearly forgot... She said she was going to send debt collectors 'round and get matters sorted... I then said, sorry forgot to tell.... Call being recorded (short pause) "We won't be doing anything illegal sir, no nor will I when I use minimum force to get rid either will I"

 

Basically ended the call by asking if i'm going to pay anymore......... "NO!" click........

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Just had a call!! "I'm from HF Sol's!", Sounds more like Robinson Ways office to me luv!! Same office - Different Monkey - Wonder what Legal Qualifications a 19yr old could possibly have

 

Anyway, lots of stern talk from some girl sounding about 19 (I usually have to pay for that! LOL!!) telling me that the creditor had authorised legal action and do I really want that....? Ohh, and in the meantime they're now pepared to accept £400 to end this matter (it was £1100 when I stopped paying!).Very decent of them

 

Funny stuff too... They do not have to provide copies of agreements because I would have got one when the account was opened..... Of course they dont:rolleyes: The Court wont need one when they try to enforce it either. After all they are profession Debt Collectors and well respected and everyone will believe them before believing you. And they don't have to abide by the OFT's reg's for debt collection because it's basically their choice given the circumstances!!Mmm Im sure the OFT would love to know what section of the guidlines they picked that gem from

 

Kept talking over her too which wound her up no end. And she ended the call by contradicting herself by saying she was passing it back to the creditor for immediate legal action!! It takes a Liar to have a good memory

 

Nearly forgot... She said she was going to send debt collectors 'round and get matters sorted...Oh no Not the Heavies :eek: I then said, sorry forgot to tell.... Call being recorded (short pause) "We won't be doing anything illegal sir,No sure they havent already no nor will I when I use minimum force to get rid either will I" Go on DCA make my Day

 

Basically ended the call by asking if i'm going to pay anymore......... "NO!" click........

How many times do they need you to tell them that before the penny drops

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