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    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
    • Hi, we are looking to get some opinions on weather or not to bother fighting this PCN. This comes from a very big retail park parking where there are restaurants, hotel, amongst other businesses. The parking is free but I suppose there must be a time limit on it that I am not aware of. We were in the area for around 4 hours. Makes us wonder how they deal with people staying in the hotel as the ANPR is on what appears to be a publicly maintained street (where london buses run) which leads to the different parking areas including the hotel.  1 Date of the infringement 26/05/2024 2 Date on the NTK  31/05/2024 3 Date received 07/06/2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]  YES 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Entry and exit photos however, based on the photographs we are almost sure the photos are taken on public street. This is the location I believe photos are taken from.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eii8zSmFFhVZDRpbA 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? UKPA. UK Parking Administration LTD 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] The Colonnades, Croydon, CR0 4RQ For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. British Parking Association (BPA) Thanks in advance for any assistance.  UKPA PCN The Collonades-redacted.pdf
    • Thank you for posting their WS. If we start with the actual WS made by the director one would have doubts that they had even read PoFA let alone understood it. Point 10  we only have the word of the director that the contract has been extended. I should have had the corroboration of the Client. Point 12 The Judge HHJ Simkiss was not the usual Judge on motoring cases and his decisions on the necessity of contracts did not align with PoFA. In Schedule 4 [1[ it is quite clearly spelt out- “relevant contract” means a contract (including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land) between the driver and a person who is—(a)the owner or occupier of the land; or (b authorised, under or  by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land; And the laughable piece of paper from the land owners cannot be described as a contract. I respectfully ask that the case be dismissed as there is no contract. WE do not even know what the parking regulations are which is really basic. It is respectfully asked that without a valid contract the case cannot continue. One would imagine that were there a valid contract it would have been produced.  So the contract that Bank has with the motorist must come from the landowner. Bank on their own cannot impose their own contract. How could a director of a parking company sign a Statement of Truth which included Point 11. Point 14. There is no offer of a contract at the entrance to the car park. Doubtful if it is even an offer to treat. The entrance sign sign does not comply with the IPC Code of Conduct nor is there any indication that ANPR cameras are in force. A major fault and breach of GDPR. Despite the lack of being offered a contract at the entrance [and how anyone could see what was offered by way of a contract in the car park is impossible owing to none of the signs in the WS being at all legible] payment was made for the car to park. A young person in the car made the payment. But before they did that, they helped an elderly lady to make her payment as she was having difficulty. After arranging payment for the lady the young lad made his payment right behind. Unfortunately he entered the old lady's number again rather than paying .for the car he was in. This can be confirmed by looking at the Allow List print out on page 25. The defendant's car arrived at 12.49 and at 12.51 and 12.52  there are two payments for the same vrm. This was also remarked on by the IPC adjudicator when the PCN was appealed.  So it is quite disgraceful that Bank have continued to pursue the Defendant knowing that it was a question of  entering the wrong vrm.  Point 21 The Defendant is not obliged to name the driver, they are only invited to do so under S9[2][e]. Also it is unreasonable to assume that the keeper is the driver. The Courts do not do that for good reason. The keeper in this case does not have a driving licence. Point 22. The Defendant DID make a further appeal which though it was also turned down their reply was very telling and should have led to the charge being dropped were the company not greedy and willing to pursue the Defendant regardless of the evidence they had in their own hands. Point 23 [111] it's a bit rich asking the Defendant to act justly and at proportionate cost while acting completely unjustly themselves and then adding an unlawful 70% on to the invoice. This  is despite PoFA S4[5] (5)The maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper by virtue of the right conferred by this paragraph is the amount specified in the notice to keeper under paragraph 9[2][d].  Point 23 [1v] the Director can deny all he wants but the PCN does not comply with PoFA. S9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN only quotes the ANPR arrival and departure times which obviously includes a fair amount of driving between the two cameras. Plus the driver and passengers are a mixture of disabled and aged persons who require more time than just a young fit single driver to exit the car and later re enter. So the ANPR times cannot be the same as the required parking period as stipulated in the ACT. Moreover in S9[2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; You will note that in the PCN the words in parentheses are not included but at the start of Section 9 the word "must" is included. As there are two faults in the PCN it follows that Bank cannot pursue the keeper . And as the driver does not have a driving licence their case must fail on that alone. And that is not even taking into consideration that the payment was made. Point 23 [v] your company is wrong a payment was made. very difficult to prove a cash payment two weeks later when the PCN arrives. However the evidence was in your print out for anyone to see had they actually done due diligence prior to writing to the DVLA. Indeed as the Defendant had paid there was no reasonable cause to have applied for the keeper details. Point 24 the Defendant did not breach the contract. The PCN claimed the Defendant failed to make a payment when they had made a payment.   I haven't finished yet but that is something to start with
    • You don't appeal to anyone. You haven't' received a demand from a statutory body like the council, the police or the courts. It's just a dodgy cowboy company trying it on. You simply don't pay.  In the vast majority of these cases the company deforest the Amazon with threats about how they are going to divert a drone from Ukraine and make it land on your home - but in the end they do nothing.
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Hehehe yep, but on the same road there's this: Robinson Way, Cambridge

That's what they'll be doing once you have finished with them Dave ;)

 

Bloody hell I love Google.

 

About 3 pages in and I run across a nice little annual report for our friends.

You need power point for this one: http://www.lsb-investor.com/londonscottish/uploads/reports/2006PreliminaryAnnouncement-WEBSITEVERSION2-March20062.ppt

 

This is the crud version: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:A9fhgeZH7CsJ:www.lsb-investor.com/londonscottish/uploads/reports/2006PreliminaryAnnouncement-WEBSITEVERSION2-March20062.ppt+%22robinson+Way%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=27&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

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Just read this thread from start to finish.............absolutely loved it.......laughed out loud several times it was so funny!:)

 

One thing I don't understand though.....why are you bothered about the possibility of court action??

a) small claims court = no costs for defendant other than issuing fee

b) Wilson & Others v Secretary of State for Trade & Industry (2005) is a House of Lords ruling that says effectively that if there is no enforceable CCA produced then the Claimant can not enforce the debt through ordinary contract law. i.e no cca = no money at all. This ruling is binding on all lower courts.

 

So why offer them anything??

 

Also you've only paid under duress becaus eof the continuous threats of litigation, bankruptcy, wrecked credit rating etc and because they had fraudulently given you to understand that they had authority for the debt............................

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Hehehe yep, but on the same road there's this: Robinson Way, Cambridge

That's what they'll be doing once you have finished with them Dave ;)

 

Bloody hell I love Google.

 

About 3 pages in and I run across a nice little annual report for our friends.

You need power point for this one: http://www.lsb-investor.com/londonscottish/uploads/reports/2006PreliminaryAnnouncement-WEBSITEVERSION2-March20062.ppt

 

This is the crud version: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:A9fhgeZH7CsJ:www.lsb-investor.com/londonscottish/uploads/reports/2006PreliminaryAnnouncement-WEBSITEVERSION2-March20062.ppt+%22robinson+Way%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=27&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

Oh dear with the strength of CAG looks like some of the Directors will be seeking alternative forms of employment. Think of all those £400 cheques Robberscum Way will be writing to the FOS:D

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An update.....

 

Obviously, the guy who 'phoned on Tuesday was fishing for how to proceed next...

 

Friday, 'nother begging letter in a blue stripey envelope! :rolleyes:

 

Horwich Farrelly Solicitors (Registered office; LSH, Mount Street, Mcr!)

 

Court action may be taken in 7 days...

 

So, I think tt's letter again and a DP cease and desist notice..

 

Also going to look at actually reporting them to the FC branch of HM Treasury as well as their solicitors on Monday morning.

 

Will scan it all up in the week, been having dreadful broadband prob's over the weekend! :mad:

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Thanks CB, decided against the s10 notice just yet, see what's sent back using the civil procedure rules.

 

Just finished letter (tt8's civil procedure rules letter), anyone think I should put a CAG sticker on the envelope for the first time???!

 

Seems that Horwich Farrelly have a proper address of their own too, when RW&C aren't "borrowing" their name! Don't see Consumer Credit as being one of their specialities either!

 

Can't really post web link, will get told off for commercial link! But if you add .co.uk to the end of their name.......... ;)

 

Will update fully after it's been signed for..

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I don't see why you wouldn't want them to know you're a CAGer. Heck, you're probably THE CAGer by now... After all, you are taking on the world, or at least the DCA portion of it:):)

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I love Google Earth!! :D

 

It's getting better every week! It won't be long before you can see the employee's faces through the windows, and that's another idea i've been thinking about whilst on me travels with me trusty Ilford Sportsman!!! (Complete with original brown leather cases & original accessories!)

 

Anyway, i'm digressing again! Gotta say Mr Robinson, your Salford office looks like the trading estate toilets! :eek:

 

m50-2zy.jpg

 

Has no-one come to work today?? Or is this just an artists impression of employment levels in 3 months time, thanks to the CAG...?

 

Ohhh you've got to laugh!!! :lol: (Haven't you?!)

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If you google the postcode

 

Number of hits

 

4,280 for m50 2zy

 

Examples

 

 

 

Telford Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Telford, M50 2ZY

 

Slough Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Slough, M50 2ZY

 

Southampton Credit & Finance CompaniesCarolina Way, , Southampton, M50 2ZY

 

North Baddesley Loans & Debt - ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , North Baddesley, M50 2ZY

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf

 

Some people might consider it criminal.

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e.g

 

1 Fraud

(1) A person is guilty of fraud if he is in breach of any of the sections listed in

subsection (2) (which provide for different ways of committing the offence).

(2) The sections are—

(a) section 2 (fraud by false representation),

(b) section 3 (fraud by failing to disclose information), and

© section 4 (fraud by abuse of position).

(3) A person who is guilty of fraud is liable—

(a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12

months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum (or to both);

(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding

10 years or to a fine (or to both).

(4) Subsection (3)(a) applies in relation to Northern Ireland as if the reference to 12

months were a reference to 6 months.

2 Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

B

2 Fraud Act 2006 (c. 35)

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a

representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it

(or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device

designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without

human intervention).

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If you google the postcode

 

Number of hits

 

4,280 for m50 2zy

 

Examples

 

 

 

Telford Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Telford, M50 2ZY

 

Slough Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Slough, M50 2ZY

 

Southampton Credit & Finance CompaniesCarolina Way, , Southampton, M50 2ZY

 

North Baddesley Loans & Debt - ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , North Baddesley, M50 2ZY

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf

 

Some people might consider it criminal.

 

I do understand what you're getting at CAS, but I think you'll find that they're possibly the number of different bussiness's listed for that postcode. Salford Trading Standards have already told me (voice telephone call) that the postcode in question (M50 2ZY) is merely a mail drop... There's probably dozens of bussiness's having their mail sent there...

 

Robinson, Way & Co's mail is redirected from there... To their Mount Street, Manchester address...

 

Nice bit of tracking though ;)

 

Regards, Dave.

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If you google the postcode

 

Number of hits

 

4,280 for m50 2zy

 

Examples

 

 

 

Telford Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Telford, M50 2ZY

 

Slough Debt ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , Slough, M50 2ZY

 

Southampton Credit & Finance CompaniesCarolina Way, , Southampton, M50 2ZY

 

North Baddesley Loans & Debt - ManagementFreeman House Carolina Way, , North Baddesley, M50 2ZY

 

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2006/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf

 

Some people might consider it criminal.

Its times like this you wonder when the RAF are having their next Tornado GR1 Boot sale

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The key point is that the letters sent are intended to imply that the boys live around the corner. ( False representation)
False representation an DCAs go together like Morcombe and Wise

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Just had a call!! "I'm from HF Sol's!", Sounds more like Robinson Ways office to me luv!!

 

Anyway, lots of stern talk from some girl sounding about 19 (I usually have to pay for that! LOL!!) telling me that the creditor had authorised legal action and do I really want that....? Ohh, and in the meantime they're now pepared to accept £400 to end this matter (it was £1100 when I stopped paying!).

 

Funny stuff too... They do not have to provide copies of agreements because I would have got one when the account was opened..... And they don't have to abide by the OFT's reg's for debt collection because it's basically their choice given the circumstances!!

 

Kept talking over her too which wound her up no end. And she ended the call by contradicting herself by saying she was passing it back to the creditor for immediate legal action!!

 

Nearly forgot... She said she was going to send debt collectors 'round and get matters sorted... I then said, sorry forgot to tell.... Call being recorded (short pause) "We won't be doing anything illegal sir, no nor will I when I use minimum force to get rid either will I"

 

Basically ended the call by asking if i'm going to pay anymore......... "NO!" click........

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Just had a call!! "I'm from HF Sol's!", Sounds more like Robinson Ways office to me luv!! Same office - Different Monkey - Wonder what Legal Qualifications a 19yr old could possibly have

 

Anyway, lots of stern talk from some girl sounding about 19 (I usually have to pay for that! LOL!!) telling me that the creditor had authorised legal action and do I really want that....? Ohh, and in the meantime they're now pepared to accept £400 to end this matter (it was £1100 when I stopped paying!).Very decent of them

 

Funny stuff too... They do not have to provide copies of agreements because I would have got one when the account was opened..... Of course they dont:rolleyes: The Court wont need one when they try to enforce it either. After all they are profession Debt Collectors and well respected and everyone will believe them before believing you. And they don't have to abide by the OFT's reg's for debt collection because it's basically their choice given the circumstances!!Mmm Im sure the OFT would love to know what section of the guidlines they picked that gem from

 

Kept talking over her too which wound her up no end. And she ended the call by contradicting herself by saying she was passing it back to the creditor for immediate legal action!! It takes a Liar to have a good memory

 

Nearly forgot... She said she was going to send debt collectors 'round and get matters sorted...Oh no Not the Heavies :eek: I then said, sorry forgot to tell.... Call being recorded (short pause) "We won't be doing anything illegal sir,No sure they havent already no nor will I when I use minimum force to get rid either will I" Go on DCA make my Day

 

Basically ended the call by asking if i'm going to pay anymore......... "NO!" click........

How many times do they need you to tell them that before the penny drops

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