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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
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probably but you dont post it yet anyway 

post nearer to the 30 day time limit.

don't immediately panic and reply .. run the time out.... shows them you are not playing along with their game of we write you jump.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Will deal with the snotty letter this evening when I knock off work.

 

Meanwhile - did you ever contact the CEO of BP as suggested at the start of your thread?

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Well, yes.

 

Some organ grinders are great and call off their minions.

 

Some are useless and never cooperate.

 

It's surely worth a try.

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As for the snotty letter, how about -

 

 

Dear CST Law,

 

cheers for your Letter Before Claim.  If you were even a bog-standard small-town solicitor, never mind the "highly-experienced legal team" as hilariously claimed on Credit Style's site, you would have done a tiny bit of due diligence before lazily sending out your robo-letter and thus discovered your client's case is complete pants. 

 

Section 3.2.  Government Code of Practice.  Get off your backsides for once and look it up.

 

On top of that your greedy client has invented £70 Unicorn Food Tax.  Bad own goal!  Judges don't like these made-up amounts, do they?

 

Your client can either stop this foolishness now or I will look forward to thrashing them in court, obtaining an unreasonable costs order under CPR 27.14(2)(g) and spending it all on a nice foreign holiday while laughing at your client's expense. 

 

I look forward to your deafening silence.

 

COPIED TO MET PARKING SERVICES LTD

 

 

I'm assuming the Unicorn Food Tax is £70.  If so invest in two 2nd class stamps (all these fleecers are worth) and get two free Certificates of Posting from the post office.

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Thank you Dave! I shall amend accordingly. Yes, it's £70, on top of the original 100. Should I sign it or not?

 

Out of curiously, if, say, it went to court and amazingly I lost - would I be required to pay the £170 only, or other costs on top?

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yes there would be court fees

most claims are in the range of £250. but we better than 85% win.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I've corrected a typo in the letter.  Best not to sign it.

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What org letter to whom from whom.

 

Dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you mean the PCN.

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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of course not, why do you think so?

they are not the NME and the NME sent that too you..

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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That sounds very promising from BP.

 

Of course send them the evidence they want.

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Well well well, BP cancelled it! See their reply.

 

What seems like long shots are clearly worth taking!

 

Thank you all

again for your help and advice.

 

Out of curiosity, had I paid, who would have got the money - BP with a cut for MET?
 

Thank you again for providing the required documents.  

 

As mentioned previously, parking restrictions have proved necessary in order to ensure our customers always have available parking spaces,

 

however it was never our intention to charge our customers who use the site for our services.  

 

Due to the facts of your case, we have cancelled the outstanding ticket and confirmed the cancellation with MET parking.  

 

Thank you for taking the time to bring this matter to our attention and I hope we will be able to enjoy your valued custom in the future

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No BP nor any landowner that employs a PPC gets anything, infarct most have to pay an annual fee and pay for permits for their own workforce.  Lots of contracts on here already.

 

Well done on your win 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to MET ANRP PCN - Burger King - overstay? BP Blue Boys Tonbridge, TN12 7HE. **CANCELLED BY BP**

Excellent, maybe BP will take a closer look at their parking Cowboys now?

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The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

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Thank you all, I made a donation. Rather you guys have some of it than them!

 

i have suggested to BP they review how MET and any other similar fleecers they employ operate in such a threatening way, whilst at the same time commending them on taking action in the interests of common sense and what is right

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