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    • Hearing held today in court. I attended in person and Evri had an advocate attend on their behalf to defend their position that my contract is with Packlink and not with them. I also provided a copy of Evri's terms and conditions which explains that a contract is entered into when a parcel is sent with Evri. The judge pointed this out to the Advocate and agreed there is a contract between me and Evri under the Ts and Cs. The judge explained that while Packlink are responsible for organising the delivery of the item, it is Evri who are responsible for handling the goods and delivering them, and therefor Evri has a responsibility to handle the goods with reasonable care and skill. So am pleased to say the judge found in my favour. Hearing lasted about 75mins. Evri has been ordered to make payment within 21 days. Also nice to meet @jk2054 in person.
    • Good morning,    I just wanted to update you on the situation.    I have visits piling up with my current employment and they need doing before I finish at the end of this month.  I am moving to Wiltshire in 3 weeks for a new job helping care homes with their Dementia patients. I tried to work it out and at a guess I will be doing about 20-25,000 miles a year. So need a vehicle that can cope with that mileage, my old car would have done it easy but 🤷‍♂️ I have taken out a loan and got a friend to find me a reliable car that can cope with the miles and hasn't been written off in the past.   I phoned Adrian flux to see if I could use the last months insurance on a new car I have bought, the girl I spoke to phoned Markerstudy and asked them but they said no, my new car doesn't have any modifications.    I had an email from someone who saw one of my appeals for information, they live near the site of the accident and know a nearby farmer who has a security camera at his entrance that catches the traffic and specifically registration plates as he has been robbed before. They said they would reach out for me and see if he still has the data. Unfortunately it wont catch the scene of the crash.   The Police phoned me and said they were closing the report I made, even if they found footage of the vehicle at the time I said the actual incident would be my word vs theirs.  My first response was I am sure google maps would show that they turned around at that location which would verify my version of events, but upon reflection I do understand, I have seen people doing make up with both hands while driving, eating from a bowl steering with their knees and veering all over the place. I am sure some of these people go off the road and claim that someone forced them off.    Markerstudy phoned me yesterday to say that my car is now at Copart, the £80 tank of Vpower diesel was emptied on entry to the site for safety reasons, which I get but it sucks.  It is awaiting being assessed and shouldn't be too long, which is a relief.  I am really glad things do not seem to be going the way of the other stories and they seem to moving quickly.   However I was informed that my car was a structural write off before I bought it - this destroyed me, I was almost sick.  and this is going to affect any offer of money - after hearing the first statement this didn't affect me.   They need to wait for the assessor to check it over but it is highly likely to be written off and the maximum they can offer is £2300.  I was desperate for a car as I was working for an agency at the time, no work no pay, and did not do a vehicle check because I didn't know about them.  The seller did not tell me that it had been structurally written off, he told me that it had the front wing damaged while parked and was repaired at an approved repairer.  Markerstudy records state that it was sold at auction, no record of repair at an approved repairer.  I bought it bank transfer with hand written receipt.    It gets worse.    It turns out my airbags should of gone off. For some reason they are not working. I think we can figure out why.  If I had hit that car head on and had no airbags.    Some good news.    I can arrange a time with Copart to go and take my stereo equipment and any personal items that are left in the car only. I cant live without music and need quality sound, my speakers and amps are Hertz and JLaudio, (no I am not a boy racer with booming subs, I am an audiophile on a budget) I was really worried I wouldn't get them back so this is a huge relief for me. It is stuff I have built up over years of saving and collecting. Everything to do with the vehicle and mods I have declared need to stay to be assessed.   The accident has gone as a fault on my record, I have to remove 2 years NCB which means I still have some to declare which is good.  So it appears at this point that it may be resolved quickly, not in the way I was hoping, but not as bad as I presumed it was going to be based upon that tow truck drivers attitude and behaviour and the horror stories I read.   I am not going to buy the car back and try to make money with all the parts on it, I don't have the time or energy.   I may need an xray on my back and neck.  The whole situation has left me feeling physically sick, drained and I need it done.   The lesson learnt from this  -  My conscience is 100% clear, my attitude to safety and strong sense of personal responsibility - A rated tyres even if on credit card, brake fluid flush every year, regular checks of pads and discs, bushes etc, made avoiding what I believed to be a certain broadside collision possible.   Get a dashcam (searching now for the best I can afford at the moment)  -  Research your insurance company before you buy  -  Pay for total car check before you go and see a car and take someone with you if you are not confident in your ability to assess a vehicle.      Thank you to everyone here who volunteers their time, energy and information, it is greatly appreciated.  You helped my sister with some advice a while ago but we weren't able to follow through, she is struggling with long term health conditions and I ended up in hospital for a while with myocarditis, when I got out and remembered it was too late.  I am going to make a donation now, it is not a lot, I wish I could give more, I will try to come back when things are on a more even keel.    Take care
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IN THE COUNTY COURT SHEFFIELD

 

CLAIM NO: XXX

 

 

 

HX PARKING LTD (CLAIMANT)

 

VS

 

XXX (DEFENDANT)

 

 

 

Date: 16th July 2022

 

 

 

Witness Statement

 

I, Mr XXX, of XXX am the Defendant against whom this claim is made.

 

I was the registered keeper of the vehicle XXX.

 

The facts in this statement come from my personal knowledge. Where they are not within my own knowledge they are true to the best of my information and belief.

 

1. The Court invited me to file a "concise written response" to the Claimant's Witness Statement by 13 July. i did so on 12 July.

 

Unfortunately I was unable to write much as I had received no Witness Statement from the Claimant.

 

2. The Claimant's Witness Statement did finally arrive dated 13 July and received on 15 July, a full 16 days after the Court's deadline of 29 June. I would respectfully ask the Court not to allow the Witness Statement as evidence. Even though I am an Litigant-in-Person, I respected the Court's deadline, “Incredibly professional solicitors” representing the Claimant did not.

 

3. Should the Court instead allow the Claimant's Witness Statement, I would ask that the following be considered as my "concise written response". I will refer to paragraphs in the Claimant's Witness Statement.

 

4. Para 4. I have shown the Court how the signage appears to a motorist visiting the site, and in particular McDonald's, around midnight. The Claimant has not. The reason is that there are no visible signs. All the Claimant has shown, I reiterate, is misleading close-ups of signs in daylight. I also reiterate that even if the driver had seen the signage - they did not - the mention of a £100 charge is literally the last word on the last line of a long board of text.

 

5. Para 6. It is certainly true that no-one would spend more than five hours in McDonald's. The driver spent 1 hour and 50 minutes, a reasonable time. What is unreasonable is to cut a 5-hour free parking limit during the day when the car park is full and parking spaces are at a premium, to 1 hour after midnight when the car park is mostly empty. There is no reason for this unfair term save to try to catch out cinema goers and late-night diners and thus issue PCNs. Ditto for the non-existent signage.

 

6. Para 8. The Claimant's solicitor can argue all they want that black is white and white is black, but nowhere in the contract is it stated that the Claimant can bring court claims under their own name. There is not even an attempt to quote such a passage because it doesn't exist.

 

7. Para 9. A biased, breakaway trade association does not decide what is lawful and reasonable. This is decided by legislation and the law in England & Wales. Both Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and the government's Code of Practice published in February and based on the Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 disallow these extra charges over and above the £100 of the PCN.

 

8. Para 11. The Claimant again fails to show planning permission and does not deny that planning permission has not been obtained - lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under the Road Traffic Acts 1962 and 1991 and no contract can be performed where criminality is concerned.

 

Statement of Truth

 

I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of Court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

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The second paragraph should be -

 

2. The Claimant's Witness Statement did finally arrive dated 13 July and received on 15 July, a full 16 days after the Court's deadline of 29 June. I would respectfully ask the Court not to allow the Witness Statement as evidence. Even though I am a Litigant-in-Person, I respected the Court's deadline.  Incredibly, professional solicitors representing the Claimant did not.

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Ok here is another one

 

Date: 16th July 2022

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Witness Statement

 

 

 

I, Mr XXX, of XXX am the Defendant against whom this claim is made.

 

 

 

I was the registered keeper of the vehicle XXX.

 

 

 

The facts in this statement come from my personal knowledge. Where they are not within my own knowledge they are true to the best of my information and belief.

 

 

 

1. The Court invited me to file a "concise written response" to the Claimant's Witness Statement by 13 July. i did so on 12 July.

 

 

 

Unfortunately I was unable to write much as I had received no Witness Statement from the Claimant.

 

 

2. The Claimant's Witness Statement did finally arrive dated 13 July and received on 15 July, a full 16 days after the Court's deadline of 29 June. I would respectfully ask the Court not to allow the Witness Statement as evidence. Even though I am a Litigant-in-Person, I respected the Court's deadline. Incredibly, professional solicitors representing the Claimant did not.

 

 

 

3. Should the Court instead allow the Claimant's Witness Statement, I would ask that the following be considered as my "concise written response". I will refer to paragraphs in the Claimant's Witness Statement.

 

 

 

4. Para 4. I have shown the Court how the signage appears to a motorist visiting the site, and in particular McDonald's, around midnight. The Claimant has not. The reason is that there are no visible signs. All the Claimant has shown, I reiterate, is misleading close-ups of signs in daylight. I also reiterate that even if the driver had seen the signage - they did not - the mention of a £100 charge is literally the last word on the last line of a long board of text.

 

 

 

5. Para 6. It is certainly true that no-one would spend more than five hours in McDonald's. The driver spent 1 hour and 50 minutes, a reasonable time. What is unreasonable is to cut a 5-hour free parking limit during the day when the car park is full and parking spaces are at a premium, to 1 hour after midnight when the car park is mostly empty. There is no reason for this unfair term save to try to catch out cinema goers and late-night diners and thus issue PCNs. Ditto for the non-existent signage.

 

 

 

6. Para 8. The Claimant's solicitor can argue all they want that black is white and white is black, but nowhere in the contract is it stated that the Claimant can bring court claims under their own name. There is not even an attempt to quote such a passage because it doesn't exist.

 

 

 

7. Para 9. A biased, breakaway trade association does not decide what is lawful and reasonable. This is decided by legislation and the law in England & Wales. Both Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and the government's Code of Practice published in February and based on the Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 disallow these extra charges over and above the £100 of the PCN.

 

 

 

8. Para 11. The Claimant again fails to show planning permission and does not deny that planning permission has not been obtained - lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under the Road Traffic Acts 1962 and 1991 and no contract can be performed where criminality is concerned.

 

 

 

Statement of Truth

 

 

 

I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of Court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

 

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Unless any of the other regulars have comments today, usual procedure, e-mail to the court, 2nd class post with free CoP to Gladstones. 

 

They're 2nd class solicitors so deserve 2nd class post.

 

No need for exhibits this time.

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If there was a Third Class Post that would be adequate for Gladdys.

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You're right, no time is shown.

 

However, there are two months yet and lots could happen.  Gladdys could give up (but don't bank on it).  The judge might read your mails and disallow Gladdys WS (but don't count on it).

 

Wait till a month before the case.  if there has been no news, then come back here and think about contacting the court.

 

 

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I don't understand why not having the case heard on the papers = postponement.

 

Anyway, wait for further info from the court.

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Because a hearing date has to be allocated and set...which is a different process to setting hearings on papers.

 

 

 

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Have you filed and served your statement and documents ?

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@Andyorch so whats next? Is there anything else i need to submit to the court? Or just wait for the hearing. Also what will happen on the phone hearing when judge ask me any question, do i have to tell that i was the driver and i went to the McDonald's car park or shall i say the driver of the car went to the car park etc

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you answer refering to what you have already stated in your WS and defence.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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 Big Update!!

 

HI guys received email from Gladstone please have a look

 

 

Dear Mr xxx,

 

   

 

We act for the Claimant.  

 

The Claimant, without intending any discourtesy, hereby gives notice that it will not not be attending the final hearing.

 

This notice is given pursuant to CPR 27.9.

 

The Court has been notified of the Claimant's non-attendance and have been asked to deal with the Claim in the Claimant's absence.

 

  

 

Kind Regards,

 

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Oo are they hoping to push On The Paper's make sure a Hearing you can attend online or in person is held.

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