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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
    • New version after LFI's superb analysis of the contract. Sorry, but you need to redo the numbering of the paras and of the exhibits in the right order after all the damage I've caused! Defendant's WS - version 4.pdf
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Points 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 & 1.8 are waffle and need to be cut out.  They have nothing whatsoever to do with why you didn't defend in time.

 

You say you have a realistic chance of defending but we can't see any defence

 

On 11/03/2022 at 10:06, FTMDave said:

Yes, you should also post up your draft defence.

 

You also need to include a draft of the order you would like the court to make.  Look at Andyorch's post 67 here  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/439264-unknown-vcs-ccj-bristol-airport-stopping-in-a-zone-where-stopping-is-prohibited-was-abroad/page/3/#comments  (if you can't find it in post 67 look a couple of posts above and below, sometimes the post count goes wonky).   

 

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Also in 1.3 give exhibit numbers to the copies of your air tickets and your passport, and mark them as such, so the judge knows what he/she is looking at.

 

The meat of your application is all prepared.

 

Get on with the defence and draft application now.

 

 

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thread tidied.

 

that needs alot of work.

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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You have probably convinced the Judge that you merit a hearing. However you haven't shown why the Judge should think you have a possibility of winning the case were it to be reheard. 

You have to give some reasons why you have chances of winning. For instance you can copy winning cases showing at  the top of the Stickies. Look at a number of Witness statements especially where VCS have lost when charging motorists with No stopping.



 

 

 

 

 

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LFI is spot on as usual.

 

It's unclear if you have already prepared a draft defence.  If not, have a look at Zimbird's thread  -

There is a draft set aside WS in post 103 (if you can't find the attachment look a couple of posts above or below, sometimes the post count goes wonky).

 

The Section "Defence 7-13" is an excellent starting point as yours too is a no stopping-VCS-airport case.

 

Obviously you would have to tweak it, especially (9), you can't state you weren't the driver if you were, and you can't use POFA to defend yourself it you were daft enough to admit you were the driver during your appeal (after we specifically said not to appeal).

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Backdoor CCJ VCS PCN - stopping in a bus stop (marked with red line) - Southend airport

Thank you for your advice. I have emailed them the N244, draft order, witness statement and evidence of my travel.

 

I made the payment today. The lady was sure about the payment, If someone applying for set aside and stay of writ together in N244 then it's £14. If it's just set aside then it would be £275. 

I called CCBC support service and cried (I was/ am really worried and stressed). She told me they have not received the application and it can take 2-3 days. I asked if it is possible to fast track for me and explained that I am pregnant and all. But she can't do anything until she get the application form. Once received it can take upto 6 weeks for judge to make a decision. 

She also told me it is likely to affect my credit records for 6 years if the judgement not set aside by 18/3/22 (today is the 15/3/22). Should I make the payment? Please advise

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5 minutes ago, Sojacob said:

Please advise

Why?  You won't follow the advice.

 

The whole reason you're in this mess is because you ask for advice on multiple forums and then mix it all up and get your strategy wrong.  We said not to appeal - so you appealed.  Had you told us you'd received a Letter of Claim we could have dealt with the imminent legal action but you were elsewhere talking about the Letter of Claim.

 

Everyone on CAG is an unpaid volunteer, we have lots of people to help and not much time to do it in.  On Sunday evening late at night tired Caggers were looking up defences and draft orders previously used in set aside cases and lookinforinfo went to the trouble of explaining the importance of including the draft defence, and all along you had no intention whosoever of following any of that advice as you were working out a different strategy elsewhere.

 

You need to choose one site and stick to it. 

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I am so sorry. It is very difficult to express how I feel and I probably have choose wrong decisions

 

. I appealed as advised by the citizen adv b. And a person in another forum seems helping lot, including looking into my application at midnight and early mornings.

 

The CAG obviously has been very helpful, I feel reassured when I get advises from different people. I am sorry that I see it caused you distress and I have a feeling that you are hesitated to help me further. :( 

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One place that is not much use with Private parking is the Citizens Advice, they will oftem just advise asking for a payment by installments and not look at the legality or otherwise.of the invoice. But yeas it makes things worse if you try to mix and match strategies from different places.

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What should I do now.. Please please help!! 

 

Should I call the claimant to pay? I am really worried about this credit score risk as we are looking for a mortgage soon. Can still continue with my n244 application once i paid (or since this already applied). 

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If you pay off a CCJ in full within 30 days of receiving the judgment, it will be removed. Though you have to contact the court to send proof of payment as they instruct registry trust in removal of the CCJ.

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I see this online link on the DCBlegal to make payment. 

 

DCBLEGAL.CO.UK

 

 


I have contacted VCS again today. The lady told me that I can only make the payment to DCBLegal. But I called them yesterday DCBLegal wanted me to contact the DCBltd. 

What should I do now? Should I just make the payment with them? 

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Have DCBL added any extra fees  to the judgment amount?

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AND what happened?

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BN, from what the OP wrote on the other forum, they paid Simple Simon his whole judgement amount.

 

That's after shelling out £275 to apply for a set aside.

 

The OP also paid £190 on top of the judgement sum that Simon's solicitors just made up, despite being told by advisers on the other forum not to.

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Yes absolutely so FTMDave and on another Forum OP was advised to challengene the judgment and demand Set Aside and repay as DCBL added Bailiff fees BEFORE 30 days to pay up kill judgment as in not register  as paidand complain about the Solicitor arm of DCBL to SRA for adding enforcement fees to the Judgment sum.  Don't know how that bit will play out/.

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You cant enforce a CCJ by way of Bailiff's until the allotted time to pay the judgment has expired. ...MCOL wont let it happen if a judgment claimant requested it ?

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