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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Points 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 & 1.8 are waffle and need to be cut out.  They have nothing whatsoever to do with why you didn't defend in time.

 

You say you have a realistic chance of defending but we can't see any defence

 

On 11/03/2022 at 10:06, FTMDave said:

Yes, you should also post up your draft defence.

 

You also need to include a draft of the order you would like the court to make.  Look at Andyorch's post 67 here  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/439264-unknown-vcs-ccj-bristol-airport-stopping-in-a-zone-where-stopping-is-prohibited-was-abroad/page/3/#comments  (if you can't find it in post 67 look a couple of posts above and below, sometimes the post count goes wonky).   

 

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Also in 1.3 give exhibit numbers to the copies of your air tickets and your passport, and mark them as such, so the judge knows what he/she is looking at.

 

The meat of your application is all prepared.

 

Get on with the defence and draft application now.

 

 

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thread tidied.

 

that needs alot of work.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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You have probably convinced the Judge that you merit a hearing. However you haven't shown why the Judge should think you have a possibility of winning the case were it to be reheard. 

You have to give some reasons why you have chances of winning. For instance you can copy winning cases showing at  the top of the Stickies. Look at a number of Witness statements especially where VCS have lost when charging motorists with No stopping.



 

 

 

 

 

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LFI is spot on as usual.

 

It's unclear if you have already prepared a draft defence.  If not, have a look at Zimbird's thread  -

There is a draft set aside WS in post 103 (if you can't find the attachment look a couple of posts above or below, sometimes the post count goes wonky).

 

The Section "Defence 7-13" is an excellent starting point as yours too is a no stopping-VCS-airport case.

 

Obviously you would have to tweak it, especially (9), you can't state you weren't the driver if you were, and you can't use POFA to defend yourself it you were daft enough to admit you were the driver during your appeal (after we specifically said not to appeal).

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Backdoor CCJ VCS PCN - stopping in a bus stop (marked with red line) - Southend airport

Thank you for your advice. I have emailed them the N244, draft order, witness statement and evidence of my travel.

 

I made the payment today. The lady was sure about the payment, If someone applying for set aside and stay of writ together in N244 then it's £14. If it's just set aside then it would be £275. 

I called CCBC support service and cried (I was/ am really worried and stressed). She told me they have not received the application and it can take 2-3 days. I asked if it is possible to fast track for me and explained that I am pregnant and all. But she can't do anything until she get the application form. Once received it can take upto 6 weeks for judge to make a decision. 

She also told me it is likely to affect my credit records for 6 years if the judgement not set aside by 18/3/22 (today is the 15/3/22). Should I make the payment? Please advise

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5 minutes ago, Sojacob said:

Please advise

Why?  You won't follow the advice.

 

The whole reason you're in this mess is because you ask for advice on multiple forums and then mix it all up and get your strategy wrong.  We said not to appeal - so you appealed.  Had you told us you'd received a Letter of Claim we could have dealt with the imminent legal action but you were elsewhere talking about the Letter of Claim.

 

Everyone on CAG is an unpaid volunteer, we have lots of people to help and not much time to do it in.  On Sunday evening late at night tired Caggers were looking up defences and draft orders previously used in set aside cases and lookinforinfo went to the trouble of explaining the importance of including the draft defence, and all along you had no intention whosoever of following any of that advice as you were working out a different strategy elsewhere.

 

You need to choose one site and stick to it. 

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I am so sorry. It is very difficult to express how I feel and I probably have choose wrong decisions

 

. I appealed as advised by the citizen adv b. And a person in another forum seems helping lot, including looking into my application at midnight and early mornings.

 

The CAG obviously has been very helpful, I feel reassured when I get advises from different people. I am sorry that I see it caused you distress and I have a feeling that you are hesitated to help me further. :( 

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One place that is not much use with Private parking is the Citizens Advice, they will oftem just advise asking for a payment by installments and not look at the legality or otherwise.of the invoice. But yeas it makes things worse if you try to mix and match strategies from different places.

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What should I do now.. Please please help!! 

 

Should I call the claimant to pay? I am really worried about this credit score risk as we are looking for a mortgage soon. Can still continue with my n244 application once i paid (or since this already applied). 

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If you pay off a CCJ in full within 30 days of receiving the judgment, it will be removed. Though you have to contact the court to send proof of payment as they instruct registry trust in removal of the CCJ.

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I see this online link on the DCBlegal to make payment. 

 

DCBLEGAL.CO.UK

 

 


I have contacted VCS again today. The lady told me that I can only make the payment to DCBLegal. But I called them yesterday DCBLegal wanted me to contact the DCBltd. 

What should I do now? Should I just make the payment with them? 

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Have DCBL added any extra fees  to the judgment amount?

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AND what happened?

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BN, from what the OP wrote on the other forum, they paid Simple Simon his whole judgement amount.

 

That's after shelling out £275 to apply for a set aside.

 

The OP also paid £190 on top of the judgement sum that Simon's solicitors just made up, despite being told by advisers on the other forum not to.

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Yes absolutely so FTMDave and on another Forum OP was advised to challengene the judgment and demand Set Aside and repay as DCBL added Bailiff fees BEFORE 30 days to pay up kill judgment as in not register  as paidand complain about the Solicitor arm of DCBL to SRA for adding enforcement fees to the Judgment sum.  Don't know how that bit will play out/.

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You cant enforce a CCJ by way of Bailiff's until the allotted time to pay the judgment has expired. ...MCOL wont let it happen if a judgment claimant requested it ?

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