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New to this site and after advice please 😊

 

Not Sure if I’m in the right place (on the site) so hopefully this gets seen and I get some help.

 

I will set the scene with my current, ongoing situation. I have 4 debts of which I manage myself now (used Stepchange for 1 year) paying each company collecting a small amount per month (total monthly payment £75 all in across the 4).

 

The debts and ‘collectors’ managing are as follows in order of approx balance lowest to highest;

 

1.    Wescot (Now owned by Link Financial but managed by Wescot) – Circa £1,300.00

2.    Wescot (Now owned by Link Financial but managed by Wescot) – Circa £1,450.00

3.    PRA Group (purchased the debt) – Circa £3,300.00

4.    Moorcroft (Now owned by Intrum and managed by Moorcroft) – Circa £26,000.00

 

My goal is to have ‘got rid’ of debts 1-3 at least by Jan 2021 and I will be offering full and final settlement. I have downloaded the letter template from the National Debtline site and will be using it for the main body of each offer. I fully understand the importance of things in writing if offers are accepted, but I do have some questions. Obviously my offer is not for 100% of each balance. 

 

Interestingly on the big debt, number 4, Moorcroft emailed me to say a revised settlement offer is on the table, intrigued I rang them and just like that the gent said they would settle for 50% of the balance! So, once 1-3 are out the way I shall be really chipping away at this one with renewed optimism! But naturally due to the amount we shall park that one for now. 

 

For weeks now I have been reading up via this site and others on F&F offers and seem to get the jist of issues other guys have had in the past. I suppose my main questions are as follows;

 

a)    Prior to offering anything can anyone explain the ‘notice of assignment’ and why this could invalidate any of my debts above? Or just explain NoA in a bit more detail/offer links for research etc. Basically is this to prove that its legally owned?

 

b)    If I do agree a settlement and my credit rating is updated will this improve my score?

Currently I have 4 defaults, which i am told will drop off my credit score in 3 more years (defaults listed in 2017) but by offering F&F am I speeding up the process of a better rating sooner?

i.e is there any point in the F&F offers, as it stands i could leave the £3k

i am willing to invest on clearing debts 1-3 in my bank and carry on paying the small amount i am to each company PCM

- whats the benefit of settling, if any?

I know i will be paying for years and years if i don't settle. 

 

c)    Emailing my F&F offer – would it be ok to start the negotiations via email (saved in their own subfolder forever) or is it best to send recorded letters (I have noticed letters are advised usually)

 

d)    With debts 1, 2 & 3 they are run by Wescot and Moorcroft but 'owned' by others now, do I send the F&F offer to the ‘managing agent’, lets call them, or to the owners of the debt?

 

e)    If I agree a settlement, why is it best to pay via a 3rd party (say my mother?) I have read this advice on other threads - if anyone can shed some light it would be appreciated. 

 

Thanks for your time, I know I have asked a lot but really looking forward to your help and guidance!

 

Best regards,

 

Sid

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Who were the original creditors? 

What is that £26k debt for? 

 

CC / Loan? 

 

If you do go for F+F Settlements - I would make sure that you get a condition added for them to remove the Credit File Entry and it is confirmed in writing. 

Other members will be along soon. 

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4 hours ago, Sid! said:

a)    Prior to offering anything can anyone explain the ‘notice of assignment’ and why this could invalidate any of my debts above? Or just explain NoA in a bit more detail/offer links for research etc. Basically is this to prove that its legally owned? - just means the debt has been sold. enforceability is checked by sending a CCA request.

 

b)    If I do agree a settlement and my credit rating is updated will this improve my score? - NO!!

Currently I have 4 defaults, which i am told will drop off my credit score in 3 more years (defaults listed in 2017) but by offering F&F am I speeding up the process of a better rating sooner? - NO!!

i.e is there any point in the F&F offers, as it stands i could leave the £3k - burn the money - it will be more useful too YOU!!

 

i am willing to invest on clearing debts 1-3 in my bank and carry on paying the small amount i am to each company PCM

- whats the benefit of settling, if any? - NONE!!

I know i will be paying for years and years if i don't settle. - why?? who said that...throw the morality card out the window!!

 

c)    Emailing my F&F offer – would it be ok to start the negotiations via email (saved in their own subfolder forever) or is it best to send recorded letters (I have noticed letters are advised usually) - neither , keep the money - go on holiday!!

 

d)    With debts 1, 2 & 3 they are run by Wescot and Moorcroft but 'owned' by others now, do I send the F&F offer to the ‘managing agent’, lets call them, or to the owners of the debt? - - neither , keep the money - go on holiday!!

 

e)    If I agree a settlement, why is it best to pay via a 3rd party (say my mother?) I have read this advice on other threads - if anyone can shed some light it would be appreciated. no!!

 

a DCA is NOT A BAILIFF

and have 

ZERO legal powers on ANY DEBT

no matter what it's type.

 

sorry but it seems you are being cash cowed blind

STOP talking to these fleecers over the phone EVER AGAIN..

 

send each one a cca request for each debt you are blindly paying them for (intrum.pra.link)

 

why do you think each original creditor did not take you to court and crush you?

why did they sell the debt on to a dca for about 10p=£1??

 

 

 

 

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if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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Hi they are;

1. Halifax Credit Card

2. Halifax Overdraft

3. MBNA Credit Card

4. Sainsburys Loan

 

Can you explain what a CCA is please so i understand what i am asking for and what is likely to come back if they have it?

Many thanks

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No CCA , no pay. End of. Cancel direct debits. 
 

Honestly you are throwing away your money paying any of this. They are literally robbing you blind.

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Click our CCA request link and read all the posts there too.

 

they have 12+2 working days

 

you cant send one with regard to the OD debt.

simply just stop paying that one

 

might be prudent to send HBOS an SAR too.

 

when were each of your debts taken out please

and what are the defaulted dates for each from your credit file.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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Hi thanks for the advice... can you explain what HBOS and SAR means please? 

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Hi. You can click on SAR to go to a new page with information about them.

 

HBoS is Halifax Bank of Scotland.

 

HB

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7 hours ago, dx100uk said:

when were each of your debts taken out please

and what are the defaulted dates for each from your credit file.

 

 

DX

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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Hi I use Martin Lewis Credit club and if I click on the defaults they say ‘account settled’ and the dates range from December 17 to Feb 18 under each tab. It also states the name of the new debt owner now and says last updated. 

 

Will that be the default  dates or will I find it elsewhere? 

 

 

 

 

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oh well 

the accounts will vanish on the defaulted dates 6th birthday paid or not paying or not.

 

await the CCA returns (or NOT!!)

 

and just stop paying that OD debt to whomever if its been sold.

 

get the sar running too.

 

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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Thanks for the advice it’s appreciated.

 

How come the OD one is special? 

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The OD is not special ..its simply not covered by section 77/78 of the Credit Consumer Act...therefore you cant request a copy of the agreement...as its a service facility for running credit and there is no credit agreement to request.

 

Andy 

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Hi can you give me the link please? I am new to this site and still trying to learn/navigate it

 

I am sending the letters today.

 

Last question.

Should i advise them in the letter that all payments are going to stop until they give the info requested or should i simply stop paying anyway from my Augusts due dates?

 

Do they have power to send bailif's etc

proceed to court if i stop paying?

they don't have my phone number which is good but i will expect letters once i dont pay

 

Sorry just noticed re; Link Financial - these are the master server for 2 of my debts.

 

HBOS assigned the accounts to 'LC Asset 1' and their registered offices are in Luxembourg!

Do i send the CCA request there (to LC in Luxembourg) or to the LC PO box in London?

or shall i send it to Link Financials office in London

- HELP!

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1 hour ago, Sid! said:

 

Hi can you give me the link please? I am new to this site and still trying to learn/navigate it

 

If you click on the letters SAR which should be underlined and in blue, that's your link with the information. :)

 

HB

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send the CCA requests to link in london

quote their asset 1 ref number

and the original creditors Card Number.

 

as for bailiffs etc

already explained in post 3.

 

if they hold no enforceable paperwork they won't go near a court room door.

 

and Link rarely do court now anyway..

 

you are in the debt self help forum

get reading the threads here

 

dx

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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Thanks for all your help thus far guys, CCA letters printed and I will be at the Post Office in the morning to add the £1 postal order and issue the letters by recorded delivery.

 

For now all payments stopped and I will update you in 2 weeks time (where we will be on to the SARS letters I think). 
 

Superb website!
 

Best regards,

 

Sid! 

 

 

 

 

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Never waste money on recorded simply get the PO's ,pop them in each envelope after tearing off the stubs.

hand the letters to them and ask for free proof of posting,1st class will do.

 

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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hi guys,

 

The first response is in from my CCA request from PRA Group, they have returned my £1 PO as a 'gesture of good will' lol and stated the following;

 

"I am in receipt of your corespondent in relation to the above (request for info. section 77-79 CCA1974) and have requested the required information. Until this is received i have placed your account on hold which will cease any further collections activity until further notice" 

 

Does this mean they haven't got the Credit Agreement or will they try and get it off the original lender?

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std response from PRA to a CCA request.

 

they still only have 12+2 working days.

 

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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Hi all,

 

It is now well over the 12+2 days and I have had no response from Intrum or for the two debts with Link Financial (my letters where sent 16.07.20)

 

I have had another reply from PRA where they basically send me some MBNA statements. In the letter the admit that they have deemed the debt as unenforceable until further paperwork is received. Furthermore, they state despite it being unenforceable they can still;

  • legally contact me to ask me to pay what I owe
  • pass my details on to a third-party collection agency
  • continue to report my account with credit reference bureaux (as appropriate)

I suppose I now have 3 questions;

 

a.       Is the above what PRA are saying true?

b.       If they ‘pass on the debt’ (I read this as sell it) do I just send the same letter again to the new company?

c.       Can I now write to all 3 of these companies and ask them to remove the defaults on my file as the debts are unenforceable?

 

Many thanks 

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They are all now unenforceable, put them to the back of your mind.  I doubt you will have any luck stopping them reporting to the CRA's though.  They will drop off anyway , 6 years after the default date.

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Oh how surprising...

Looks like we've got you out of the DCA cash cow milking parlour .

 

until they comply you ignore them.

 

Yes they can legally chase

Yes they can pass the lemon on

No you never write nor did they register the defaults anyway

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s -  would collapse overnight.

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs - that's why they will never tell you they are not bailiffs and have absolutely zero legal powers on any debt.

 

 

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We acknowledge receipt of our recent letter requesting data as per Section 77-79 Consumer Credit Act 1974,
and can confirm that we have requested the relevant documentation from our client and we will forward it to you
when it is received.
 

We must also stress that we are not seeking to enforce an agreement and have only asked that payment is
made towards a debt that is outstanding by way of an affordable repayment plan. However, if you believe we
are unable to ask that your account is repaid in this manner please provide us with specific details so the client
can address any specific concerns you may have. This request is asked to also minimise potential costs and
delays.

 

Moorcroft reply received by email yesterday. 

 

Do i just ignore it?

 

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