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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi,

 

I wonder if you could give me some advice about a PCN I have received today. Having seen one of your previous responses I have answered the same questions in order to assist below:

 

 

For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

 

please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 30/12/2018 @ 13:59 (Letter calls this contravention date)

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] Issue Date 15/1/2019 (it says 'posted' ? in brackets at the side of issue date)

 

3 Date received 17/1/2018

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] No I cannot see this on the PCN

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes

 

6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up your appeal] NO I have not appealed at this stage.

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

 

7 Who is the parking company? Vehicle Control Services, VCS. (I think the address is 2 Europa Court, Sheffield Business Park, Sheffield S9 1XE

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Berkeley Centre, Sheffield, S11 8PN

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. It says on this PCN that any appeals would be handled by the IAS

 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE- BPA

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here

 

I have not received any other information but the letter does say that if payment is recieved within 14 days then I could pay £60 instead of th £100 they intend to charge. The letter also says that if I want to appeal I must do so within 14 days.

 

I am not sure whether or not I have any sort of recourse here, it would be great if you could please give me some advice.

 

Many Thanks,

John.

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They cannot transfer liability from the driver to the keeper as they have failed to deliver the Ntk within time in accordance with the Act (search for "The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012"). As long as the identity of the driver is never revealed they have nobody to hold liable. Although they may well try chasing the keeper they can't succeed, providing the keeper doesn't slip up or lose their nerve.

 

I suspect that they know that they are out of time which is why they have issued you a NtK that doesn't mention PoFA, since they usually do. They're just hoping you'll not notice. Let's make sure though - please post up a redacted copy of the Ntk (both sides) and the resident experts will be in to advise you shortly I'm sure.

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Theyre out of time with the NTK. The NTK has to be recieved by you within 14 days. Even allowing for new years, its still a day late.

 

also, see if you can grab some photos of the signage at the entrace and exit of the car park, and the car park itself. The signage has to be of specific size AND have specific wording and layout to be compliant.

 

Then theres the whole thing about planning permission for the signs which very few carparks ever have.

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Many thanks for your comments.

 

I too thought that they had run out of time and it would be great to hear from anyone else who can confirm this? Attached is the actual letter from 'Vehicle Control Services Limited' hope this helps shed some light on the future steps I should take.

 

 

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forget about it unless or until your receive a letter of claim from their favourite fake/tame paperwork only solicitor.

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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That confirms, they are not relying on PoFA. They know they have timed-out so have sent their "non-PoFA" letter that states "we may pursue you (the keeper) on the assumption you were the driver". They may well pursue you, they usually do, but my dog used to chase cars too.

 

Reading between the lines - might the driver have input an incorrect registration when paying?

 

The experts will advise further....

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they may say they are pursuing you on an assumption but the law disagrees and that should be enough to go after the DVLA for allowing VCS to access the database on that presumption, it is not a reasonable cause and both parties know it.

However, for the moment just let VCS waste a few bob writing their taradiddles and when they threaten you with court action you write back in no uncertain temrs as to your determination to punish them for their behaviour

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Thanks once again for the replies.

I have now attached the doc as a PDF as was mentioned previously.

However I was not sure how to remove the old copies from the site, could someone please do this on my behalf.

 

From whats being said so far it would appear that they are probably in a weak position because of the fact that they have not adhered to the POFA guidelines, probably because they know they are out of time.

 

I will get a copy of the signage they have and post that up to see if there are any issues with the sign etc.

 

Best Regards,

John.

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More than a weak position. They have absolutely zero chance of doing ANYTHING.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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sign isnt a contract as it tells you the contract is on the parking meter.

 

The second image is contradictory, it says no need to display ticket but the little flow chart pictures shows a need to display.

 

Also there appears to be no way to pay the £1 fee for the second hour after or during the free period.

 

This makes the offer of free parking for an hour unture for half of the motorists using the site as it is actually £1 for 2 hours parking with the lack of this subsequent payment.

 

The font size and colour makes my eyes go funny so all in all the actual contract(if the second sign is next to the meter) is contracdictory, confusing and poorly displayed.

 

The real big killer though is the sign say EXCEL PARKING and the other sign referring to this one says VCS.

 

That means if VCS are the managers of the site you cnat be offered a contract by Excel as they have no authority to enforce the conditions other than ask nicely for the quid VCS cnat enforce because of thei inadequate signage and lack of contract on said sign.

 

Typical Simon Renshaw Smith cock up.

Still Will and John at the IPC will have vetted this personally so it shows how unobservant and useless they are

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi,

 

I have to say the new site looks great :)

 

Regarding the parking issue, I have just received what looks like papers from a county court from these crooks. The papers look like the normal kangaroo courts you often see now in this country these days.

 

They say I have 14 days to reply but or the judgement may be taken in my absence, if I upload the images here will they be view able by everyone?, that of course is not a major problem I just really don't want to give these crooks any help at all in continuing to extort money from me.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Name of the Claimant ?  Vehicle Control Services Limited, 2 Europa Court, Sheffield Business Park, Sheffield S9 1XE

 

Claimants Solicitors: None

 

Date of issue 13 May 2019

 

!The Claimants claim is  for the sum of £160 being monies due from the defendant to the Claimant in respect of a Charge Notice (CN) for a contravention on 30/12/2018 at Berkeley Centre Pay & Display. The CN relates to an (Make of Car)  under registration (Car Registration).

 

2.The terms of the CN allowed the Defendant 28 days from the issue date to pay the CN, but the defendant failed to do so. Despite demand having been made the Defendant has failed to settle their outstanding liability.

 

3.The Claimant seeks the recovery of  the CN and interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% at the same rate up to date of judgment or earlier payment

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is that exactly ALL the POC says bar you car reg being redacted ??

what about sols cost and sec 69 8% values

 

and what is the total of the claim please

you've missed a few questions off the bottom.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Big gap in the POC though - They don't say why the defendant is responsible for the CN - driver? keeper? If they say "keeper" then why £160 not £100? They can't claim the £60 from the keeper, only the driver. Oh yes, forgot for a moment there - they are ASS - U - ME ing that the driver and keeper are one and the same. Well if I see simple Simon buying lingerie in Victoria's Secret I'll assume that's for him to wear. Also looks like they have not complied with PAP and sent a proper LBC.

 

You'll need to go online and acknowledge but basically VCS will be very silly to proceed once they've seen your defence (draft here first please) and will get a good slapping if they do.

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Yes sorry here are the answers to the questions you are referring to:

 

What is the value of the claim? Amount claimed = £160 Plus Court fee £25, Total Amount £185

 

Has the claim been issued by the Private parking Company or was the PCN assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim ? Yes the claim has been issued by Private Parking Company

 

Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I am not sure?, I received a PCN which I attached to this article..

 

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so you need to acknowledge the claim and the best way of doing that is online via moneyclaim dot gov dot uk.

 

Once you have acknowledged by ticking the box saying you are defending in full you tehn get an extra 14 days to file an outline of your defence. This must be done on time or you can lose by default.

Once the acknowledgement has been done you send VCS a CPR 31.14 request for documents and ask to see their contract with the landowner that assigns the right to enterinto contracts with the public and to make civil claims in their own name and for sight of the planning permission for their equipment and signage. they need 2 separate permissions for this.

 

The chances are they wont respond  and then you can take advantage of that. Give them 14 days to respond and if they dont you comment on their failure to show authority in your defence submission. Dont allow the time for filing to expire whilst waiting for this though, you have other points to make inc the rubbish POC.

 

 

as for your comments about a fake claims etc, it is a good thing you came back here otherwise you would have lost by default. There are websites that tell you that it isnt a real claim because it isnt signed of have a proper court stamp etc etc. Northants bulk centre is for all of the online claims  and is just as real as the other courts apart from you dont go there. Wigan also deals with a lot of online cases and I know Wigan exists as much as Northampton does.

 

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pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform.
.
 register as an individual
 note the long gateway number given
 then log in
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 select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.
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 then using the details required from the claimform
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 defend all
 leave jurisdiction unticked.
 click thru to the end
 confirm and exit MCOL.
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 get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant]

no need to sign anything
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you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.
you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count]
 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi,

 

Thanks for that.

 

I am now on the money claim website.

 

May I ask if I am able to answer the questions and then come back and add my case defense in full when I fully know what that will be?

 

I just want to be sure my intention to fight the case is made clear at this stage.

 

I have now gone through and filled in the questions on the Money claim site.

 

When I have completed the questions, it said that

 

A claim was issued against you on (Date)

Your Defense was submitted (Today's date)

 

I can still edit and add the full defense though within the time allowed right?

 

 

 

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read my post you DO NOT file a defence yet

simply complete AOS as advised

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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