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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hello, peeps.

Long story short - 3 years ago I got banned in Latvia from driving (4 years total).

I was wondering - am I allowed to drive in the UK if Latvia's ban is still in force?

I tried to find some info on this subject but found nothing.

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P.S. I know, I know, I'm an idiot for losing my licence in the first place

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Probably - No - but needs more research.

 

Is this a UK licence or a Latvian licence?

 

You should probably ask your insurance company. I am sure that you would have to declare it to them in any event and could be a very serious matter if you don't

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No, Latvian one.

I haven't driven in the UK yet, don't have the insurance.

I found so many things, that if you're banned from Ireland, you're also banned from the UK and vice versa. Nothing else though, other countries weren't mentioned, that's why I'm so confused.

Thanks for the reply.

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My opinion: Your Latvian licence has been suspended for four years and is therefor no longer valid. Not having a valid driving licence prevents you from legally driving in any other country.

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No, I get that.

My question is - can I apply for a new driving licence here, in the UK, and drive with a provisional one if I'm banned in Latvia?

Thanks for the replies, guys, I appreciate it!

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EU countries don't share driving licences information, so if you apply for a brand new UK licence and you pass the test, nobody would ever know about your Latvian licence.

Differently, if you tried to convert your Latvian licence, the DVLA would gain information from the equivalent office in Latvia and find out that you're banned.

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I guess that is some good news, although I want everything to be legal. Hopefully it's okay to drive in the UK if you're banned somewhere else.

Hopefully you're right. Thanks

 

 

You could ask the DVLA, they have a phone line.

 

 

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As a matter of interest, what was the ban for? To have received a three year disqualification in any country must suggest a pretty serious offence. Whatever happens, you will have to declare it to your insurer and I can imagine that you will simply get a refusal to insure you and when you eventually get insured – when you get your licence back, you will be paying a pretty substantial premium.

 

I don't know what the situation is like in Latvia but in this country driving without insurance – which is pretty well the same as having lied to your insurance company and having your insurance revoked – is an extremely serious offence. It is also a reckless disregard for any victims of an accident you might have.

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You can only drive in the UK for 12 months with a full, VALID driving licence issued by a non-EU country. After that you must apply for a provisional licence and take a UK driving test

before you can drive legally

 

From that I would suggest that as you have no VALID licence, you cannot drive in the UK without having firstly had a provisional licence and taken a driving test. Be aware though that an application asks the specific question 'Have you been disqualified in any other country' and there is a fine of up to £2500 if you make a false declaration - it would also almost certainly invalidate any insurance policy as well

 

The answer to your question therefore would be that you cannot currently drive in the UK as you have no valid licence - either a UK one or one issued by another country. You would be committing an offence if you do drive, and you would not have insurance cover. Best wait until the ban has been served and then on renewal of the Latvian licence you can drive for up to 12 months before having to apply for a UK issued one. You would also have to declare the ban in Latvia when applying for insurance

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As a matter of interest, what was the ban for? To have received a three year disqualification in any country must suggest a pretty serious offence. Whatever happens, you will have to declare it to your insurer and I can imagine that you will simply get a refusal to insure you and when you eventually get insured – when you get your licence back, you will be paying a pretty substantial premium.

 

I don't know what the situation is like in Latvia but in this country driving without insurance – which is pretty well the same as having lied to your insurance company and having your insurance revoked – is an extremely serious offence. It is also a reckless disregard for any victims of an accident you might have.

 

Yeah, it was one of the stupidest things you can do... Drunk driving.

I understand that I'd have to tell all this to the insurance company, but am I allowed to drive with an instructor? Haven't driven in 3 years so I'd like to start again, well, sort of.

Thank you for all the replies

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but am I allowed to drive with an instructor?

 

 

You need a UK Provisional Licence to drive with a driving instructor. As advised above the application form for a Provisional Licence asks if you have been disqualified in another country. But the application form doesn't explain what happens if you answer 'Yes'. Speak to DVLA and see what they say. Make sure they understand that you are not asking for your Latvian licence to be exchanged for a UK one - that will definitely be refused - but that you are planning to start as a UK Provisional licence holder and take a UK driving test.

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A valid Latvian licence allows you to drive in the UK by way of a reciprocal agreement and is only valid for a limited period before you have to apply for a UK driving licence. You dont have a Latvian licence so you cant drive in the UK at all. Start from new as suggested above

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