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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi all,

 

Once again I am making a different post with different issue while other post gets resolved.

 

last week I have received a letter from DRP for £160

once I moved my V5 and driving license address, no previous letters received.

 

As I have current CCJ on my file I got a bit scared and decided to pay up the reduced amount of £128.

In fact after I got my statement they have charged me £129.50 which was not agreed amount, but I will let this one go and forget about it.

 

couple days later I received another charge from DRP which was for a different location.

Again, no previous letters received as was most likely going to my old address.

 

I have attached a letter from DRP.

What are your thoughts on this

- should I pay this one up too or ignore?

 

I cannot view any evidence on Park Direct website for the charge.

 

Many thanks

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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1 Date of the infringement 10/03/2016

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] – Did not receive NTK

3 Date received – DRP letter only received on 09/11/2017

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] – Did not receive NTK

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? No and cannot view when entering details on website.

 

6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up you appeal] - No

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up – N/A

7 Who is the parking company? Park Direct UK Limited

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] - Pan Peninsula, London, E14 9HA

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. – Does not say

 

I have not received any other correspondence apart off letter from DRP.

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so most probably everything sent to old address

so they could file the claim there too.

and you'll know nothing about it

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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appeal to PDUK

theres no such thing as a pcn for stopping or waiting.

 

then they'll have you correct address in writing.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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its just a way to inform them of your new address

wont matter what you say

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I guess it does not matter much as I need to get POPLA code to proceed further correct? Would a letter below work?

 

To whom it may concern,

 

I would like to appeal a ticket number (------) dated 10/03/2016 on the grounds of no contract formed with you between your company and the driver. If you reject this appeal, please send me a correctly issued and valid POPLA code.

 

For the records below is my new address: ------

 

Best wishes

 

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Hi

The letter sent to you is misleading as PD are not members of the BPA. they are members of the (very flawed) IPC and to appeal you must first appeal to them and when they reject you ( notice how I say WHEN, not IF) you can go to the equally flawed IAS.

Why do I say Flawed?

 

Both the IPC and the IAS are both the same company and the solicitor of choice, Gladstones, are all linked so there is no independence at all really.

 

Ideally, we could do with seeing pictures from the area you stopped in. I have looked on StreetView and I can see some signs at the front but they are not clear to see.

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no paying DRP doesnt actually settle any debt as they are not licenced to handle money.

If you think that these are going to an old address then apart form using the RM mail forwarding service when you moved you need to write to the parking co's chasing you and telling thejm your new addr5ess. They wont be able to get a default CCJ then.

 

Forget about appealing any of these charges, just a letter denying them and state that all correspondence to go to your new address.

What can I do to protect myself in this case? Just pay the monies?
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Thank you both for your time and replies. I will stop by the area to take snapshots sometime this week, it's a little further from where I live.

 

EB - just to clarify this letter was sent and received at my new address after I changed my DVLA documents which now they know where I live. Should I still be sending them letter to advise that this is my new address and to send me all correspondence there?

 

Many thanks

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have you actually written to the PPC and told them of your new address?

 

the DCA found you from your credit file as they have access to it the PPC does not.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi all,

 

The letters were sent to both PD & DRP with my new address and denying the offence.

 

I am attaching the pictures of the site where offence took place. Please take a look and advice your thoughts.

 

FYI - I was sitting stationary at the car at the time waiting for a friend to come out of station, it was roughly 20 minutes long.

 

Thank you

PD - Pan Peninsula E14.pdf

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why write to DR+? they have nothing to do with anything.

 

We said that you should write to the parking co's to deny any liability and provide them with your address for service of documents,

we also said dont bother with any dca.

 

The devil is always in the detail with these matters,

you have to focus on what is important and ignore the background noise.

 

As for sitting in your car,

we dont care about that,

whatever you say is mitigation and not a defence.

 

The signage determine the contract and you werent offered one

so whatever you were douing is immaterial and therefore you have no need to mention it.

 

Once you get into this mindset it all becomes easier because sitting in a car COULD be a contracual matter if their sign was worded differently

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Oops, apologies I have misread and sent the letter to both PPC & DCA. Hope this will not cause a problem?

 

Eric, I am trying to understand the sign and why the contract was not offered.

 

Could you please explain from the picture of the sign which part describes that and on what grounds could I win this case?

 

Do I need to do anything else for now or await for documents to arrive from PCC?

 

Thanks

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anything that says NO PARKING is not a offer to let you park even if you offer to pay or agree to certain conditions.

 

This makes you being there a matter of trespass and as the parking co dont own the land that is nothing to do with them.

 

The landowner may sue you for damages but as the only amount they can claim is the actua cost or loss caused by your trespass the damage done to a road by having a car on it for 10 minutes will be zero.

 

All of this is in other threads so start reading a few hundred of them and you will get an idea of what is what

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Hi all,

 

Update: I have received another letter from DRP last night, please find attached copy.

 

Since sending a letter denying the charge to Park Direct I have not yet received any correspondence from them.

 

Should I be ignoring these letters from DRP for now?

 

Thanks

DRP 20-11-17.pdf

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you should have read and understood the contents of post #17

 

IGNORE ALL DCA'S they are rentamouths and nothing more.

 

As for park direct, why do you wish them to do something?

 

What do you want, them to suddenly tell you that they are rubbish at their job and they apologise for trying to rip you off or perhaps a well crafted letter before action so they can take you to court?

 

neither of these is likely and certainly not in any timescale currently ticking along.

 

Just keep all of the letters in a safe place just in case and carry on with life

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I heartily agree with ericsbrother on this. Your case is trespass, nothing more so this should be in the hands of the landowner.

 

Park Direct are a small company but they have taken a few cases to court this year (more than the previous two combined) This doesn't mean they have won any cases.

 

As for DRP. Rent-a-gob is the best description as they can do nothing to you - ever! It's a wonder they are still around with all the BS they spout.

 

They can recommend anything they like. Doesn't mean that is what will happen. The letters sent are meant to intimidate and they are carefully worded so they stay just this side of the law.

 

Ignore DRP totally. You my then get a letter from Gladstones or BW Legal. Incompetent at best is the way I would describe them. Until such time as (if) court papers turn up, nothing more to do except read and read some more. Get your mindset focussed on the legalities of any civil claim.

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Hi CAG! Hoping you all had a great bank holiday!

 

Just bringing this post alive as in the last couple months DRP has bombarded me with some letters. I have now received a follow up threatening letter from Zenith Collections.

 

Should I ignore this and carry on with my life or start putting some work into this?

 

Any advice is much appreciated.

 

Thanks

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