Article 50 Discussion

[honeybee13]

The new immigration rules have been published. They don't favour care workers who will only get short term visas because they're 'unskilled'. These are the people ministers were applauding not that long ago.

 

The government says care homes and councils should spend more on training British workers.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/13/uk-new-fast-track-immigration-system-to-exclude-care-workers-salary-thresholds

[unclebulgaria67]

Given the redundancies due to Covid-19, this has really changed the jobs markets.  There will be plenty of people, particularly from the retail sector who will be looking for a career change.

 

Government needs to have really good think about what they can do to support people looking to change of career.  For example they can provide financial support to colleges to enable them to provide free courses to unemployed, who want to learn new skills.   

 

 A no deal Brexit is very unlikely to help businesses with confidence in investing to create new jobs.  The amount of debt created due to Covid-19 measures will leave the Government will no room to pump money into the economy or reduce taxes. 

 

 

[brassnecked]

DWP will likely try to Sanction them into finding any work they can, but would be better to do as you suggest.

[honeybee13]

And now details have emerged of how this will affect everyone on a day to day basis. As @RobDotHutton tweeted earlier:

 

'More expensive travel insurance, no pet passports, possible roaming charges, red tape for business: the government's website to tell people how to prepare for Brexit sounds like something the Remain campaign wrote in 2016.' Here's a link to government information.

 

https://www.gov.uk/transition

[unclebulgaria67]

2 hours ago, brassnecked said:

DWP will likely try to Sanction them into finding any work they can, but would be better to do as you suggest.

 

DWP have said that sanctions will only be applied as a last resort option, where the claimant is not meeting their claimant commitment requirements and they are not engaging with the Job Centre.

 

It has always been the case, that for the first 3 months of claiming as an unemployed person,  they can just apply for jobs which match their skill set.  After 3 months they would be expected to widen their job search.  So if a person is specialist in one type of employment, after 3 months of not being able to find a job in that particular field, if there are jobs stacking shelves at the local Supermarket, I think they would expect applications to be made.  But this is most likely explained to claimants during commitment reviews.

[tobyjugg2]

Why do you think Johnson gives a damn when malnutrition in UK children is doubling

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-poverty-hunger-child-malnutrition-hospital-layla-moran-coronavirus-a9615161.html

 

 

and all I can say is if the kids are malnourished, what the heck state will most of the parents be in?

 

Shameful

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

and the 'lorry park'

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-53380348

 

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/secret-deal-for-huge-brexit-clearance-centre-revealed-230216/

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/12/local-anger-over-plans-for-post-brexit-lorry-park-at-ashford

 

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-checks-lorry-park-kent-michael-gove-a9614476.html

 

 

All the clues are there, especially smarmy Goves very carefully thought out statements that simply don't quite fit with the 'issues'

 

So who else has spotted the elephant in the room

Clues

B8 planning permission

What businesses can stay 'in business' with stuff effectively 'warehoused ..

Whats the populists and ERG goal ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

@tobyjugg2

 

Have you not just resigned yourself to the position that a Government with an 80 seat majority will do want they want and are not bothered by any problems ?

 

The next election is not due until 2024, so the Tories will hope the economy is in better shape than it is at the moment.

 

Any Brexit problems will be blamed on Covid-19 changing the economic situation.

 

Labour appear to have given up on holding the Government to account on Brexit.  

[tobyjugg2]

@unclebulgaria67

Have you not stated and reiterated that, and that Labour is doing little if anything?

 

It seems quite clear that even unlawful acts (Johnson, Jenrick, probably cummings) cause them no concern at all, so lies are just passing moments

 

That reports are held up until a 'suitable' person to rewrite history is put in place, Jenrick, Johnsons' election and vote leave Russian funding and interference, Patels abuses .. the list goes on

 

I think the end of the union is actually in sight, and may well be in the process by the time that freeport 'lorry park is completed.

 

 

 

Checked the growing evidence that cov-19 infected people have a very short increased immunity? and that vaccines are likely to be the same.

Experiments are now moving onto T cells - which gives me some alarm, and not just because of Resident Evil ...

 

 

 

[brassnecked]

You make me want to go all survivalist, and bivouac in the woods. TJ

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

2 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

You make me want to go all survivalist, and bivouac in the woods. TJ

 

 

 

Sadly that wont help us, or you for long.

 

My mind keeps going back to when I voted for ukip and thought a thorough shaking of the existing establishment was what was needed.

How right, yet how unequivocally wrong can you be.

 

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/labour-calls-for-immediate-publication-of-inquiry-into-priti-patel-bullying-claims

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-bullying-report-labour-helen-macnamara-latest-a9613621.html

 

and of course the Russia report held up until numpty dumpty could head and rewrite it

Edited July 13, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

If you read the Daily Mail and other media where anti-globalists post their comments, they are just repeating the same nonsense.   They think that Brexit is about stopping the UK being controlled and influenced by foreigners, stopping British citizens from enjoying a standard of living they believe they are entitled to. 

 

The problem is that Brexit really is not about improving the living standards of most people.  It is purely to protect the interests of the wealthy and powerful, who want to turn the UK into some form of tax haven and wealth shelter.   Therefore if anything, the UK will become more dependent on foreign money being invested into the UK and this will come with plenty of conditions attached.  

[honeybee13]

So despite Downing Street trying to rig the intelligence and security committee, Julian Lewis has outwitted them and stopped them putting 'Failing Grayling' in as chairman.

 

It looks more likely that the Russia report will finally be published.

[tobyjugg2]

recovering from a windows corruption   and hadn't backed up for months ...

 

but ROFL

a proper tory sticking it to the populist rat pack

 

Whip withdrawn ... from out of Johnson backside where it was firmly shoved

 

You will see all sorts of desperate measures from Johnson and Cummings now to try to reclaim control 

.. right up to changing laws again.

 

 

 

[brassnecked]

Windows 10 is a mess, latest update broke USB printing, access to cloud storage, One Drive, glad I use Linux. Can run most of that old stuff that won't work past XP due to 16 bit installers in WINE, so some great old games, and legacy software that Win 10 gives a "Computer says No" to.

 

Meanwhile some musings from Dr North

 

https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-another-fine-mess/

[honeybee13]

It will be interesting to watch developments, TJ.

 

Times Radio had a very good interview with Dominic Grieve this morning who more or less said he's baffled over how no 10 is behaving over the committee that he was chair of. And he said that withdrawing the whip from Julian Lewis is toddler politics. You can't disagree with him.

 

The committee has just announced it's going to publish the Russia report so maybe we'll find out why no 10 held it up for so long.

 

BN, thank you for the article, I always enjoy reading Richard North.

[brassnecked]

Thanks HB, Dr North is moving his stuff to a new platform, Turbulent Times, as its gone beyond an EU Referendum now, and we are in Transition

[tobyjugg2]

The quite shocking thing about the Russiagate farce is that Julian Lewis is

a true blue Tory

A brexiter

probably the ONLY Tory with the relevant experience

 

I see the Populists are trying to get ahead of the game by claiming leaks were in Corbyns favor ...

LOL - that worked didn't it not

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

For those who haven't seen it yet

 

Early days yet, ramifications of this are massive for UK

 

EU top court invalidates EU-US data transfer agreement over surveillance concerns

 

https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/16/eu-top-court-invalidates-eu-us-data-transfer-agreement-over-surveillance-concerns

 

 

US surveillance programmes

It found that US domestic laws do not offer the same level of protection to data transferred from the bloc as required under EU law "in so far as the surveillance programmes based on those provisions are not limited to what is strictly necessary".

 

It also stated that non-US data subjects have no "actionable rights before the courts against the US authorities".

"On all those grounds, the Court declares Decision 2016/1250 invalid," it concluded.

 

 

Which is largely the case in all areas as far as the US is concerned as we so often see.

 

 

[brassnecked]

That one has massive implications not just for trade & individuals, even personal messaging to relatives in US on Facebook, etc are pulled into this as NSA might be snooping.  Maybe Whatsapp encrypted messages OK and Skype. 

 

Elephant in the room, TikTok likely being monitored by Chinese Intelligence and their operatives in Beijing ROTFL at the UK police TiKTok videos. That isn't covered, maybe EU needs to lookat China and data protection

[tobyjugg2]

No american based company can be trusted with your data or privacy,

(not the company as such, but US laws requiring access to 'law enforcement/security services

and shortly, if not already, no UK based one either

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/09/29/whatsapp-backdoorwill-facebook-be-forced-to-break-message-encryption-as-reported/

[brassnecked]

Yes wherever you are in the world NSA, CIA, say All your data belong to us.

[honeybee13]

I'm sure you're right, BN, but that sounds very unfair to me.

 

I've just started a new thread about the US election so I'll probably be banned from ever going to the States again by the end of it.

[tobyjugg2]

They couldn't do it so easily without the connections and routing through GCHQ

 

 

@HB

LOL

 

Trump, the new lifelong ruler of the USA

.. in his own head anyway

 

Trump thinks, If Putin. Erdogan and whoever rules China can do it ...

and Johnson is thinking 'works for them

 

 

Those reports of US federal officers effectively kidnapping people off democratic state streets is shocking even in a Trump presidency ...

makes you wonder how far away an armed insurrection is?

Mind you - its mostly radical right cranks with the automatic weapons to 'defend their trailer park isn't it?

i think if it carries on it won't be long before state troops are facing off federal officers