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    • I see that at the start of your thread you said they hadn't sent a Letter of Claim.  And in fact in all the uploaded material there is no LoC.  This is great news.  Even were you to lose - you won't - the judge would chop off a chunk of the money for their non-respect of PAPLOC. However, I'm a bit confused as you've named the file name as a SAR.  Are you sure about this?  Did you send any other letters apart from the one dx advised which was a CPR request (not a SAR) to DCBL (not Group Nexus).  I'm not being pernickety, this will be important for your Witness Statement further down the line.
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no nowhere nada nothing

stop worrying and repeating questions you've already asked.

 

 

it didn't happen in terms of laws/records etc.

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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What makes you think rlp have ANY sense of legal authority? They have NONE. They are just a silly pathetic private company trying to scare you into paying them.

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Hi all. I have got my ILR. Thanks for all the support you guys have given me. Although I do not support shoplifting but I think everybody deserves a second chance to be good. Rlp threatened me to hell but finally can do no harm to me. Anyways I will never repeat my mistake again.

 

PS:I've never paid the RLP. Instead I paid some money to a charity and that made me feel much better.

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Hi all. I have got my ILR. Thanks for all the support you guys have given me. Although I do not support shoplifting but I think everybody deserves a second chance to be good. Rlp threatened me to hell but finally can do no harm to me. Anyways I will never repeat my mistake again.

 

PS:I've never paid the RLP. Instead I paid some money to a charity and that made me feel much better.

 

Good for you!, (and good on a number of levels!).

 

You got caught shoplifting, and have accepted responsibility for it - I'm not sure that anyone here can 'beat you up' over it more than you've done yourself, so don't dwell on the original shoplifting, but lets look at what you've done since:

 

a) You've come back to let us know you have your ILR (congratulations on the ILR!) ; too many people never update their threads with a final conclusion. Now anyone looking for advice for a similar situation can see the outcome for you.

b) You held your nerve and let RLP send their series of threats, and have confirmed what a 'toothless tiger' they are.

c) You've decided to never do the same again : Leaving aside that it was wrong, you likely went through hell worrying.... I suspect you've decided it just wasn't worth such a miserable time .... now if only people read your thread before they do something daft there may be fewer people putting themselves at risk ....

d) You've made a donation to charity.

 

So, good for you for turning a bad choice into the best possible outcome.

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Thanks for updating us. Your update can and will help others in a similar situation :)

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I updated it because I want to help all those who did the mistake of shoplifting for the first time and promised not to do it ever again. We must not judge. Even God forgives the first error. But we must promise not to do any such thing in future.

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Glad you learned a lesson and moved on. RLP are as much a thief as any due to their methods and dishonest demands.

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I am so happy that you got your ILR as that was what was concerning you the most and a big Thank You for making the effort to come back and update us. As your thread is quite short, it will be useful for others to see what happened. Other threads can be long and points raised in it can be missed so I will remember this thread for the future.

 

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