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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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They do benefit when the counsel invoices to his client and the company reduces their VAT amount to pay when they reclaim it as they paid the invoice because remember I am paying directly to the company not to the counsel so they use the receipt for themselves

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The lady over the phone said there is no transcript or recordings in this case

It is going to be another statistical number? We dealt with this many complaints!!!

So do I have a legal right to start an online petition? Or is there any time limit to appeal?

if you are to complain about a judge or the like, then as connif posted, time limit is 3 mths. ie consistent with judicial review.

appealing a judgment has its own time limits. see the civil procedure rules re appeals.

you could also enquire, as mentioned, whether you are able to get a copy of the court file.

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In your opinion is there something unusual the way the judge handled if all the statements I made above are correct?

 

Some judges are good, some aren't. Sadly it can be luck of the draw. What is unusual is to award costs for SCT. Why did he do that?

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Like citizen said CPR27.14

I promise you that the judge did not manage the case the second defendants counsel managed the whole case whatever he said, he accepted!

I have never seen such case like this.

Also I had to stop the case to go to the toilet to refresh myself as I felt like I was in a police custody

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The lady over the phone said there is no transcript or recordings in this case

It is going to be another statistical number? We dealt with this many complaints!!!

So do I have a legal right to start an online petition? Or is there any time limit to appeal?

 

Definitley a time limit if you want to comlain about a judge... 4 weeks, I think...

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Very difficult to prove bias.

 

In Metropolitan Properties Co. (F.G.C.) Ltd v Lannon [1969] Lord Denning M.R. had this to say "In considering whether there was a real likelihood of bias, the court does not look at the mind of the justice himself or at the mind of the chairman of the tribunal, or whoever it may be, who sits in judicial capacity. It does not look to see if there was a real likelihood that he would, or did, in fact favour one side at the expense of the other".

 

Denning also goes on to say "Surmise or conjecture is not enough" to challenge the impartiality of the Judge, but circumstances must bring about the real likelihood of bias.

 

Porter vs Magil [2002], Lord Hope (aptly named I might add) phrased the problem in the following manner; "the question is whether the fair minded and informed observer, having considered the facts, would conclude that there was a real possibility that the tribunal was bias".

 

If you want to complain about the personal conduct of a judge, member of a small tribunal or coroner you should write to the Office for Judicial Complaints by post or email. If for any reason you are unable to make your complaint in writing, please telephone us and we will be pleased to help you.

 

 

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Thread moved to the appropriate forum.

 

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So what are the possible outcome?

If I were to appeal the case which I am not very sure if I am gone pass the time but if I do; how does it work? Why am I going to appeal the decision for?

Judge being unreasonable?

Judge's decision is allowing a potential tax evasion? As an individual I am paying the counsels vat and the company is reclaiming the vat that I paid for?

Judge s decision contradicting itself? - not enough evidence vs CPR27.14 being unreasonable?

 

Or may be the best reasons I can put the

The judge was having a bad day or even

The judge has a romantic relationship with the defendant :)

How many reasons can I list?

 

My last question

What is my legal right to start an online petition for the judge being investigated professionally?

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Why did the judge award costs against you? That is very, very rare on the Small Claims Track. What did the Judge say?

 

My (non-lawyer) understanding is that you cannot appeal on findings of fact (i.e. the judge's determination of what happened) but only either an error in law (i.e. a wrong legal principle applied) or an error of process/procedure.

 

But you have been so unclear about what actually happened, I'm not sure anyone can advise you on how to proceed.

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Ok here is the details

 

A company Lorry hit my car whilst in parking position - company A

I hired a management company to arrange all the legalities rather than going through my insurance - company B

These guys went backwards and forwards for 1 year 4 months no outcome apart from repairing my car

 

My broken device in the car was left and I had to take time off as well as the management company went to my insurance which increased my premium next year

 

I took both companies to the court

1- for the damage and the loss of earnings based on traffic and motor act....

2- I took the other company for increasing my premium and taking time off from work as they have not fulfilled their promise as they said they would recover all my cost and damage

 

The judge came very sleepy and tired

And admitted that he didn't read the case asked the defendants counsel to represent the case to the judge

Then he listened to me however he said

"As you are representing yourself, the counsels will question you but you can't ask any questions to them"

Bear in your mind I am the claimant they are the defendant

Then he said

There is not enough evidence to prove or not report from the manufacturer whether the device is repairable or not and what is the repair cost as I only provided a like to like new device cost

Then he dismissed the case and added CPR27.14 defendant to pay their fees

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Have a read of PD 27

 

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part27/pd_part27#8.1

 

You may appeal against a judgment in the small claims track only if the court made a mistake in law or there was a serious irregularity in the proceedings.

 

If you want to appeal, you must file a notice of appeal within 21 days from the date of the decision, unless the court has given a different time limit.

 

A fee is payable unless you are entitled to a fee remission.

 

If you want to appeal against a decision in the small claims track, you should consult a solicitor or an experienced adviser.

 

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Thank you Andy

Nice to see you again,

What you are saying is basically I will need to swallow it up? Beside of my lack of experience? If the 21 days gone pass?

Also is this not a major mistake

 

1 - the decision contradicts itself with the case being dismissed because not enough evidence and paying the defendants fees in a small claims tracking

2- I was penalised to pay a VAT element which I have not been invoiced for

3 - conflict of interest the defendants counsel represented my case?

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Ian still waiting for a response what will happen if I were to start an online petition against the judge?

Am I allowed to?

 

We would not permit you to start an online petition on CAG for such a reason.

 

However, you could try one of the e-petition sites.

 

As to what would happen, who knows - some petitions take off, others don't. If you are able to start one on the government e petition site, you need a certain about of votes for it to be heard or dealt with.

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So do i put the full name of the judge? Would it not be classified a kind of defamation of character?

 

I think you would need to word your petition very carefully and certainly not name the Judge on a petition. A Judge, or A Judge sitting at X Court might be acceptable.

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Thank you Andy

Nice to see you again,

What you are saying is basically I will need to swallow it up? Beside of my lack of experience? If the 21 days gone pass?

Also is this not a major mistake

 

1 - the decision contradicts itself with the case being dismissed because not enough evidence and paying the defendants fees in a small claims tracking

2- I was penalised to pay a VAT element which I have not been invoiced for

3 - conflict of interest the defendants counsel represented my case?

 

Under a costs order VAT is recoverable on the costs being paid unless the party receiving the costs is a business registered for VAT. In that event that party will recover the costs through their VAT return in the normal way, and then just recover the net of that amount from the paying party. In other words, VAT is claimed back from the government or the payer, not both.

 

Sometimes a VAT registered person is only entitled to claim a proportion of their VAT back through the VAT return, not all of it. In that event they can claim the rest from the payer.

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We would not permit you to start an online petition on CAG for such a reason.

 

However, you could try one of the e-petition sites.

 

As to what would happen, who knows - some petitions take off, others don't. If you are able to start one on the government e petition site, you need a certain about of votes for it to be heard or dealt with.

 

Not sure a petition is the way forward….

 

 

Standards for petitions

We’ll reject your petition if it’s:

 

not clear what you're asking for

about something that the UK Government or Parliament is not responsible for

about something that’s the responsibility of a devolved body (eg the Scottish Parliament)

about a purely personal issue

confidential, libellous, false or defamatory

contains language that may cause offence, or is provocative or extreme in its views deceptive or misleading

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about honours or appointments – there’s a different way to nominate someone for an honour

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covered by a court order, injunction or is about a case that’s active in the UK courts

potentially confidential, commercially sensitive or might cause someone distress or financial loss

names people working in public bodies (except for senior management)

names family members of elected officials or people working in public bodies

names someone who has been accused of a crime, or contains information that may identify them

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