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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Found unknown Ground Rent CCJ - Was Set Aside by Consent - then rejected by judge ***Set aSide***


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Hi all,

 

It would be literally life changing if you can help with this one!

 

Last year I checked my credit file and found I had a CCJ.

The claimant was the managing agents for a flat I owned,

the amount £1314 and it was registered in November 2012.

Being a bit worried about the word CCJ

I paid it immediately (Dec '14)

and then set about investigating it.

 

It turned out that despite notifying them of a change in correspondence address (I moved out and tenant moved in),

they had been writing to the flat to notify me that my standing order for ground rent wasn't set up properly (I think after changing bank accounts).

 

The tenant, I'm sure thinking he was being helpful, kept my post safe for me until he moved out!!

The pile was nearly 1m high when I eventually reclaimed it!

 

After a bit of internet investigation I figured I had grounds to have the Judgement Set Aside by Consent

- I spoke to the claimant and they agreed to have it set aside

they got their solicitors to issue a "Consent Order".

 

I sent this with the correct forms and my own explanation of events to the courts along with £50.

 

After 10 days or so I received a letter back from the courts telling me that my application had been rejected as the judge felt my application amounted to "credit repair".

 

It went on to say that the judgement was paid and would be marked satisfied on my credit file. Fair enough I thought...

 

That was until I recently applied for a mortgage and the underwriter informed me that I was "out of policy" until the debt had been cleared for at least 3 years.

 

You can imagine how frustrated I am now with hindsight that the judge had felt it necessary to reject my application.

Why would ANYONE want a judgement set aside if it wasn't to repair or reset their credit?!

 

Surely he should of considered the facts rather than base his decision on opinion?!

I paid a debt as soon as I found out about it and I've ended up with a 3 year sentence

- you'd get as much for aggravated assault!

 

I've spoken to the court again and despite it being longer than 7 days,

I can apparently fill in a different form and send another £50 to appeal the judgement.

 

My question,

albeit a little long-winded, is:

 

what chance have I got of winning an appeal?

I don't want to throw another £50 at this and end up with the same result

BUT if I knew I could get it set aside,

I'd happily pay a hell of a lot more!

 

If someone thinks they might be able to help,

I'd happily pass on any documentation I have.

 

Thanks.

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In hindsight and a better chance of having the consent order approved would have been to engage a solicitor to send it for you. The court can deal with consent orders as an admin process without involving a judge but that's only if both parties have legal rep. If one party is a LiP then the consent order has to go to a judge for approval and looks like you were unlucky to catch one having a bad day.

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Consent orders are legal docs which have to be completed properly and in the correct wording & legal format so it's hard to say without knowing what the consent & schedual contained. You say you enclosed with the consent order your own explanation of events but I don't think that's allowed as everything has to be done and worded properly within a consent order and schedual signed & dated by both parties.

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Again - thanks for taking the time to reply. I'd be happy to attach the consent order that was put together by the claimant's solicitors but all it really contained was the case number, the claimant details, the defendant details (i.e. me) and said:

 

"By CONSENT it is hereby ordered as follows:

 

1. The judgement of 25th November 2012, having been paid in full on 5th December 2014, be set aside

2. No order as to costs.

 

Signed....."

 

You say it's not really allowed to add my own explanation of events but the N244 (the form requesting the CCJ to be set aside) asks for it so I thought it would add weight to my case. The consent order doesn't say anything about the reasons for the judgement being set aside.

 

Anyway, I can't really go back and change anything, I was really just hoping to get some advice around what to do next...

 

You mentioned that if I had a solicitor complete the N244 on my behalf, the case would have been settled by administration - surely this is some sort of grounds to lodge an appeal?!

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On the face of it I can understand the judges decision as it does read as though you're just trying to get the ccj removed to improve credit rating.

 

If the claimant was willing to help by consenting the set-aside I think a better worded consent would have helped.

As an example something along the lines of the claimant admitting to sending invoices & the claim form to the wrong address even though they did have your correct address therefore obtained default judgment in error as you were unaware of any debt or claim.

 

Once you were aware of the debt you settled straight away and would have done at the time of invoice if the claimant had used the correct address.

 

If the claimant is on side and willing to support then I think agreeing the consent order worded to show you do have grounds to set-side judgment would have helped.

 

I'm not sure of the appeals procedure but if you could get the claimant to support any appeal admitting their wrongdoing in using the wrong address I suppose could help.

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You can have a judgment set aside after payment and I have dealt with hundreds of applications of this sort that are made once the judgment has been settled even years later and which we deal with by Consent Order as is in your case (no point objecting when there is no balance left as it costs money attending court)

 

In that time I have only known of one that was rejected by the judge as he too saw it as a credit cleansing exercise but all other times they are approved without question even though most of them are for the same reason.

 

You have caught a judge on a bad day and as suggested the wording of the order did not aid you as when we do these there is no mention as to why the judgment is to be set aside just that it should be and that we agree.

 

Not sure about appeals but there may be a time limit after the Order from the court that an appeal should be made within.

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sorry for lack of response - I've been away from a computer.

 

Steampowered - yes indeed I did. It read:

 

"1. The claimant was informed that the defendant was moving on 5th November 2011 from xxx to xxx and that any correspondence should be sent to the new address.

 

2. The claimant and those acting on their behalf (namely SLC Solicitors) continued to send correspondence to the previous address.

 

3. The tenant at xxxxx was collecting (rather than forwarding) post and had not informed the defendant of the collection.

 

4. The defendant did not receive any communication about any court action until after the CCJ had been issued.

 

5. All debts are now completely satisfied.

 

6. Based on the above, all parties consent to the judgment being set aside."

 

Panther12 - again thanks for the comments, I'm sure they will be helpful to those looking to get a judgement set aside but for me, I really need advice on how to appeal.

 

Ganymede - thanks for the input but you definitely CAN have a judgement set aside post-payment.

 

Kjun - thanks for the input. I do think the claimant's solicitors were a little daft in that regard. I provided them with a much more elaborate statement to sign but they opted for the consent order with very few words.

 

Can anyone recommend a firm of solicitors that might be able to help?

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mikeymack2002 - understood. Is it fair to ask what search terms I might use to find a suitable firm?

 

The Law Society has a Find a Solicitor function that lets you input what area you live in and the speciality you're looking for. Then you can ring a few firms and see if you think they can help you.

 

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So yesterday I had some amazing news... My CCJ has been set aside!!

 

I'm just awaiting written confirmation (which should arrive tomorrow) and as soon as I receive it, I'll detail what I found out and what I did so that anyone unfortunate enough to be in a similar situation can take the advice they need.

 

Thank you to everyone that commented - ALL of the information was helpful towards me taking the action I did.

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Well done ...great news...

 

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Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

 

I know this thread is a bit old and sorry to resurrect it,

but I find myself in a similar situation and I've been looking all over the web for some guidance.

 

 

This is the closest to my situation.

 

Could you please share what more you did to get yours set aside?

 

Thanks very much in advance

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