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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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I'm 58 and I won't accept that I will never find work again, I might well be deluding myself but I have to keep thinking that I still have some potential otherwise it's the rocky road to becoming a vegetable.

 

Yes it does, and that's the main problem. Medical conditions aside, what's needed is someone to give an early opportunity of work for the long term sick but only if they feel that they can cope with it, no strings attached.

 

The longer people are away from even the notion of a job, the harder it becomes to get any kind of motivation.

 

I don't subscribe to the 'left to rot/written off' mantra, that's just government/WP justification for forcing claimants into inappropriate action.

 

I would actually be insulted if someone suggested I was over the hill. I have health issues and I'm claiming ESA WRAG, fortunately I have many interests that stop me from getting too maudlin about my current lot.

 

I won't give up until I'm in the box.

 

 

Meaningful work was what I meant, not standing in some charity shop or handing out leaflets.

Which is what seems to be on offer to the more mature person.

One of my advisers on the WP is 22 and speaks to me as if I am brain dead - well actually she does not speak to me, she speaks at me.

Yes I have lots of interests and manage very well to keep myself going despite my health and the day to day problem of fighting the system alone.

It all takes it toll in the end.

 

The reality is, there are University graduates who cannot find work, teachers the wrong side of 40, any number of fit and healthy people all chasing the same few jobs.

I do not delude myself.

I have plenty to keep me occupied within my health limitations; I just want to be left alone and stop being made to jump through hoops.

I do not subscribe to life is over if you have no expectations - that depends on the person and how they manage their day.

We all measure expectations differently.

 

Life might well be over if they keep on pushing and pushing for something I cannot deliver.

I am sure I am not alone in my thoughts and views.

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If someone on this forum speaks to you in this way, report the post and I'll crack the offender over the head with a wet kipper.

 

Seriously, it is not permitted on this forum to call claimants "scroungers" or any variant thereof. Unfortunately, I can't control what people say outside of CAG - I have not yet been appointed Supreme Overlord. I presume the letter got lost in the post.

 

 

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Interesting thread!

 

'Nazi' will always be used - rightly or wrongly - to describe anyone severely authoritarian. I'm sure we've all encountered the classic 'Little Hitler' or two in our working lives and I'd like a pound for every time I've seen someone called a 'Grammar Nazi' because they corrected a person's spelling. The phrase is now firmly entrenched in our vocabulary and will most likely remain so for all time, such was the impact of WW2.

 

A lot of direct comparisons between 1945 and now aren't valid but it does cross my mind that the Nazis profitted from their victims; stolen gold from teeth, valuables, clothing - even the making of industrial soap from human bodies and using human hair to fill cushions. They used every method they could to make profit from their victims and in that sense - albeit it a far milder way not involving wholesale murder - the WP is doing that to the unemployed; profitting from the vulnerable.

 

I find that most young people who bandy the 'Nazi' word about don't actually know anything about it; it's just an insult for them to use. Quite a few haven't even heard of WW2 itself. I tell them it was quite a noisy affair and was in all the papers.

 

To lighten the mood, here's my favourite WW2 joke (without mentioning 'Nazis')...

 

Load of truck drivers sitting talking in a German motorway cafe.

One German trucker says 'German transport is the most efficient in the world; I can load up in Berlin, go over to London, drop off my load and be back home in only 2 days'.

 

A British trucker says 'That's slow; years ago my old uncle could load up in Lincoln, go over to Hamburg, drop off his load and be back home in 6 hours'.

 

'Impossible!' says the German. 'What transport was he using??'

 

'Lancaster Bomber', came the reply.

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Why are people trying to eradicate history just because some aspects of it were unsavory. With our education Minister Michael Gove trying to rewrite WW1 history and now people cannot even reference the term "Nazi"

 

"Those who ignore history are bound (or doomed) to repeat it"

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If anyone is to blame, we only have to look at ourselves in the Mirror

 

I prefer to look at myself in the Guardian.

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Oh, and just to be clear, this does not represent a blanket ban on the word "nazi" under any and all circumstances.

 

But if you must use it, please make sure you're referring to actual nazis, as opposed to Tory politicians engaged in welfare reform. I didn't really think this needed to be said, but oh well.

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I realise that the Site Team have a job to do and at times it must be very difficult, and mistakes will be perceived to be made by both the posters and the site team because it is impossible to please everyone.

I also realise that referals and comparisons to Nazi Germany can be construed to be offensive to some but in the context it has been used I would say that was debatable having read the following :: http://www.accessmagazine.co.uk/sue-marsh-stand-turning-point/

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Useful, thanks. I'm so glad I left this thread open.

 

 

Ok, so to try to move to a more productive discussion.

 

 

If the Tory government were to retain power next year, what does everyone realistically (and I mean realistically) see as being the next services, benefits, rights to be reduced, amended, removed. Or do you think it will stay the same. Or to the right wingers, what (sensible) changes would you like to see the Tories make to welfare. And what (realistic) path do these changes lead us down. Are we looking at the eroding away of welfare to bare bones, and the upsurge of income insurance policies for those who can afford it?

 

 

Or for instance are we looking at more stringent measures for the unemployed, like the eventuality of everyone who is jobseeking having to do it from jobseeking centres, which they are required to attend 9-5, with 'passes' to go to interviews.

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Ok, so to try to move to a more productive discussion.

 

 

If the Tory government were to retain power next year, what does everyone realistically (and I mean realistically) see as being the next services, benefits, rights to be reduced, amended, removed. Or do you think it will stay the same. Or to the right wingers, what (sensible) changes would you like to see the Tories make to welfare. And what (realistic) path do these changes lead us down. Are we looking at the eroding away of welfare to bare bones, and the upsurge of income insurance policies for those who can afford it?

 

 

Or for instance are we looking at more stringent measures for the unemployed, like the eventuality of everyone who is jobseeking having to do it from jobseeking centres, which they are required to attend 9-5, with 'passes' to go to interviews.

 

 

If the Tories get in again I see more measures aimed at those claiming benefits.

I think people on JSA will be made to attend centres far more often - more compulsory pushing of re-training an even further widening of jobs you are prepared to do, as well as travel to (they could even link the money to the hours you attend) within the JSA payment level.

So if you do not attend for x amount of hours you lose that money each time.

Not sanctions as at the moment more a weekly cut.

Even I struggle to find what more they could aim at people - though I am sure there must be more.

 

People on ESA well we are already looking at payment for appeals, which I think they will bring in.

Longer waiting times (No better way to cripple a person financially and mentally then make them wait with NO money coming in.

Less time in between medicals, those in the WRAG group made to do more in search of work (maybe attend medical centres on a more frequent basis) for a 'check in' prognosis.

Change the appeal process or rather who hears the appeal as that seems to be where they are falling down at the moment with well over 40% of claimants passing the ordeal.

 

Deeper cuts into the NHS making us pay for some services.

If you smoke, drink or are fat then some services removed unless you sign up to kick the habit.

Basically they could sink as low and as mean as they want - we are sitting targets when done and said all.

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An interesting point you make Lilly and confirmed from Chris Grayling dept about charging peope to appeal their ESA claims etc as 40% are upheld on appeal to HM Court and Tribunal Service. A fundemental common law right in this country is equal access to justice. Any individual who is unable to afford court fees, and a Tribunal is a court (Lord Devln) is entitiled to have those fees paid by the state. Being on a state benefit will take you below the threshold. So how can Grayling hope to implement this policy when it is contrary to constitutional rights.

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IDS has already stated that he can make more cuts if Cameron wants him to, in fact he's volunteering to do that.

 

Ok, so to try to move to a more productive discussion.

 

 

If the Tory government were to retain power next year, what does everyone realistically (and I mean realistically) see as being the next services, benefits, rights to be reduced, amended, removed. Or do you think it will stay the same. Or to the right wingers, what (sensible) changes would you like to see the Tories make to welfare. And what (realistic) path do these changes lead us down. Are we looking at the eroding away of welfare to bare bones, and the upsurge of income insurance policies for those who can afford it?

 

 

Or for instance are we looking at more stringent measures for the unemployed, like the eventuality of everyone who is jobseeking having to do it from jobseeking centres, which they are required to attend 9-5, with 'passes' to go to interviews.

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Useful, thanks. I'm so glad I left this thread open.

 

Hang on did you not see all those links I put up in response to 'scarlets' comments a page or so back. None of which has been addressed.

 

Seems even when I do respond properly and fully some posters just walk away.

 

If the tories get in (which I suspect they will sadly) short answer is more dark days for the working poor of this country. Resulting in more people driven into poverty and more suicides.

 

Deeper cuts into the NHS making us pay for some services.

If you smoke, drink or are fat then some services removed unless you sign up to kick the habit.

Basically they could sink as low and as mean as they want - we are sitting targets when done and said all.

 

Sadly this. :(

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sadone, I think you will see that SP did respond to your post in post # 35 I think.

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There are lots of things that can be done and fairly but we have to look at an economic perspective as opposed to a political one. Cost benefit analysis.

Trying to fix things with a blunt instrument will not work.

some ideas

Reduce fraud and adjust benefits to suit

Reduce tax avoidance by both corporate bodies and individuals

Ration the availability of high cost treatments e.g transplants .

Increase tax rates for 50k incomes

Reduce childcare help for average earners. Childcare is a choice not a right.

Cancel winter fuel payments and add it to pension credit so only the needy get it.

 

Just some ideas and I do not pretend to agree or disagree or even know what the costs or savings would be.

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If the tories get in (which I suspect they will sadly) short answer is more dark days for the working poor of this country. Resulting in more people driven into poverty and more suicides.

 

At the moment it is highly unlikely the Tories will stay in government in May 2015. For the Tories to win a majority, they need to be about 6% ahead of Labour, but at the moment in the polls they are about 6% behind. The Tories are simply not very well represented in many areas of the country, particularly north of England. Labour will benefit by Tories losing votes in marginals to UKIP. Labour will gain votes from Lib Dems.

 

If you look at the electoral calculus site, there is currently a 73% probability of a Labour majority. People should not be encouraged by Labour taking over government, because they are also committed to reforms of the benefits system. The simple fact is that due to an increasing human population*, UK government cannot pay for all the current services, as they spend more than they earn. Even if they increased taxes, it would not be enough to remove the budget deficit. So Labour will also be trying to save by implementing some welfare reforms. The difference is that Labour should ensure that the most vulnerable are protected, which does not appear to be happening at the moment.

 

* bigger human population, more people in work, but real earnings have not risen for along time. More part time working, zero hours contracts, self employment 'opportunities'. Therefore household incomes have reduced in real terms, but cost of living has increased, as has cost of running state services.

 

If people are earning less, then the tax take from government will not keep up with the increase in spending. You therefore end up with people and government in debt. It is not rocket science. The only way you can make it slightly better is increase higher rate taxes, tax wealth and ensure businesses/wealthy do not avoid tax. You can then through redistribution, reduce tax on people on average/low incomes, so they have a chance of being able to afford the basic cost of living. This helps society and the country in general, as the people on average/low incomes spend more of their incomes, keeping retail spending at a healthy level and therefore sustaining jobs, therefore not needing welfare.

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There are lots of things that can be done and fairly but we have to look at an economic perspective as opposed to a political one. Cost benefit analysis.

Trying to fix things with a blunt instrument will not work.

some ideas

 

Reduce fraud and adjust benefits to suit - Yes

 

Reduce tax avoidance by both corporate bodies and individuals - Definitely

 

Ration the availability of high cost treatments e.g transplants . - This one is emotive - you hear stories of premature babies who would previously have simply died before medicine became so advanced having millions of £'s spent on them - on life support machines and who maybe, if they survive will require 24/7 assistance and health care for whatever life span they have ? Think of the savings that could be made there !!

 

Increase tax rates for 50k incomes - this I think is too low - £100K incomes perhaps.

 

Reduce childcare help for average earners. Childcare is a choice not a right. - I agree with this - I fail to see the point in having children then leaving them in someone else's care and the tax payer footing the bill !

 

 

Cancel winter fuel payments and add it to pension credit so only the needy get it - Yep, unfortunately you are then looking at "means tested benefits" and a lot of people, will simply not apply - although if these payments are made via the tax office, then they should know the income level of people who do not actually require this payment. Family allowance is another one. Why given to those who have very high earnings !

 

Just some ideas and I do not pretend to agree or disagree or even know what the costs or savings would be.

 

Some more ideas, although I suspect the savings would be minimal.

 

Reduce the number of MPs in Parliament

Why are MPs being given assistance with 2nd homes ? They choose to go into politics. If they need to keep their family home (because they might not get in next time round) then perhaps the government should invest in property that MPs can use.

 

Reduce the number of administrators in the NHS - have more frontline staff.

 

Foreigners who are not entitled to free health care - if they dont pay, then perhaps their embassies should be made to ?

 

One of the biggest wastes in the NHS is apparently prescription drugs - over half those who have prescription drugs either dont use them all or dont take them, especially those people who have repeat prescriptions.

 

Stop giving bonuses to Civil Servants - they are paid a salary.

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I am hoping they do not get back in power.

Not that I have any better belief in Labour, but I think they will at least back off the welfare aspect - whereas the Cons will push and push until they completely break its back.

A return into power they will see as a mandate to carry on.

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I am hoping they do not get back in power.

Not that I have any better belief in Labour, but I think they will at least back off the welfare aspect - whereas the Cons will push and push until they completely break its back.

A return into power they will see as a mandate to carry on.

 

Lily, you cant simply vote someone in because they will back off a situation that NEEDS addressing and urgently.

 

Labour spent billions involving themselves in a war that two men wanted - no one else did.

 

And what has it achieved ? The minute troops are fully withdrawn, that country will be back where it started !

 

On top of which, they have been reducing our forces personnel because they can no longer afford to keep the numbers !

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Why are MPs being given assistance with 2nd homes ? They choose to go into politics. If they need to keep their family home (because they might not get in next time round) then perhaps the government should invest in property that MPs can use.

 

Dear god this! And so who's the biggest benefit 'scroungers' then? Methinks It's our (on the whole) useless and greedy MP's.

 

Who to vote for? Imo god only knows when all the main political parties seem the same. The system now reminds me of the last chapter of the book Animal Farm where in the end you couldn't tell the difference between pig nor man.

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Dear Scarlet

 

If you only going to rely on clinical evidence from so called experts to sway your opinion then I cant help you there, my opinions are based on real life experiences.

 

Examples?

 

My Mother for decades her health problems were based on obesity, yet doctors didnt click she was slim when her health problems started, her obesity was a side effect of her health problems, funny enough as soon as she moved away from my city, the GP's in her new area have correctly diagnosed her, sadly 20 or so years too late as now she cant be operated on and has lost much of her younger life due to the lack of treatment when younger. eg. she was falling asleep in the day (even minutes after waking up) and doctors were initially not even bothering to do anything at all. Eventually my elder sister went with her to a appointment, said some strong words and we found the problem, short oxygen supply. Now she wears a oxygen mask to bed and no longer falls asleep in the day. It took about 7 years for this to get diagnosed. She was also wrongfully diagnosed with asthma for about 40 years. She also has had walking problems for decades, in the past it wasnt severe so she led a fairly normal life, was able to work etc. however she was regurly pulling her back and having occasional issues which sidelined her temporarily, up until about 4-5 years ago she suddenly had to quit all her cleaning jobs and effectivaly became disabled overnight. gain after some pushing we found she has numerous issues with her back that require surgery but because of her age the surgery cannot go ahead. This had been failed to be diagnosed for many years.

 

Myself. I had to self refer to a couple of places, I have had to shout at doctors to get other refferals. My area is rife with locum doctors who lets face it will not be of the same standards as a permanent doctor who knows if he doesnt get it right you will be back to see him again. The specialists I have been seeing have all commented why I am not seeing this and that other specialist for problems they see with their own eyes. Apparently to you getting misdiagnosed or not diagnosed is uncommon, yet me after 10 years still have no proper diagnosis for a problem that stopped me working.

 

My younger sister was having blackouts, fainting etc. for several years from when she was early 20s onwards, doctor said its in her mind headaches are normal. One day she collapsed at work, wasnt able to speak properly turns out she has had some mini strokes and now has some permanent nerve damage. Only took them about 7 years to diagnose.

 

Something I seen in the paper (so obviously its possible it may have been misreported) a young working lady was reporting frequent vomiting, coughing up blood, chest pains. Doctors blamed it on indigestion, wow. She kept going back asking again and again as symptons were getting worse, no follow ups, no refferals, apparently young people cant get severe illness. Eventually it got so bad she was taken to hospital, after many years finally had a chest xray done, and they found well developed lung cancer which of course if only caught earlier might have had a chance. You can guess the ending. (she didnt smoke)

 

NHS quality is a postcode lottery, some areas its very hard to even get a permenent GP, never mind the rest. I think you have a bit of a rose tinted view of the state of things in this country.

 

Of course with the media there is 1 or 2 left wing papers, but they are very outnumbered by right wing papers, and the bbc is sort of center right biased in fact I find they tend to be always leaning to the existing government's views as they want their tv licence renewed, but generally right wing people see anything that isnt extreme right wing as left wing.

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